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Title: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 08, 2011, 05:56:15 PM
I am pleased to announce the Newfangled Solutions NFS Turn package.

NFS turn is a conversational or interactive package. Its aimed at the toolroom kind of lathe work- making things like bolts, bushings, shafts, etc. You choose from a menu of common lathe operations, like turn, face, thread, chamfer, drill,  bore, etc. Each operation presents a simple screen where you fill in the blanks for the operation you want.

A unique feature of NFS turn is the ability to do an immediate operation. When you have filled in the blanks, you have two buttons- "Do IT" and "Add to File". The Do It button will immediately run the operation. Add to File will let you build a complex part composed of many operations.

There is a Youtube video of this wizard at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiuQ9dKVzBM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiuQ9dKVzBM)

NFS turn operates under the same license as the Mill Addons, so if you already have an NFS license you are good to go. If not see the links above to purchase a license. NFS turn will work in demo mode, but it wont save a file.

To use NFS turn download the zip file, and unzip it into C:\Mach3\Turnaddons

Please post any bugs or questions to this topic of the forum. I also read the Mach Yahpoo group, but I prefer to keep bug issues here on the forum.

EDIT: changed spelling of the title for you Ron ;)

Latest Version
Version 0.08 is now attached.
 
Added a pitch entry on OD Thread for metric users. Both TPI and pitch fields are on the screen- one of them must be 0 (zero)
The threads.txt file no needs a pitch field as the final entry. If you have made a custom threaads.txt file simply add a ',0' to the end
of each line.

Sorry I had to break the thread file, but now it can work for both inch and metric threads

Remember when you unzip the folder the wizard must wind up in Turnaddosn\NFSturn without the version  number

If you have modified your thread table be sure to save it before unziping or you will overwrite your changes

Title: Re: NFS Trun Wizard
Post by: BR549 on November 08, 2011, 06:27:58 PM
Looks Good Ron,(;-) TP
Title: Re: NFS Trun Wizard
Post by: Peter Homann on November 08, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
Hi Ron,

I'm looking forward to giving them a go.

BTW Terry, My email replies to you keep being rejected. :(

Cheers,

Peter.

Title: Re: NFS Trun Wizard
Post by: BR549 on November 08, 2011, 10:55:32 PM
HUM I will double check the email. Does it give a reason???

(;-) TP
Title: Re: NFS Trun Wizard
Post by: BR549 on November 08, 2011, 11:22:55 PM
Peter I changed some things around in the email could you try it again?

Thanks (;-) TP
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on November 09, 2011, 06:39:06 AM
Ron,
Nice addition.
Just did a quick look and didn't try all of the operations so no comments.
What version of Mach should one be using with the wizard?
 RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 09, 2011, 07:21:38 AM
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What version of Mach should one be using with the wizard?
 RICH

I think it should work with just about any version. I originally used some of the new scripting features, like #Expand, but I took all that out just do I wouldnt be version dependent. It makes support a bit harder, but gets out of the version problem.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Overloaded on November 09, 2011, 08:54:56 AM
Hi Ron, looks real nice.
Will you be adding different feeds and depths of cut for roughing and finish cuts ?

Thanks,
Russ
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 09, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
Looks great Ron, will just go try it out now :)
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 09, 2011, 10:03:51 AM
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Hi Ron, looks real nice.
Will you be adding different feeds and depths of cut for roughing and finish cuts ?

Thanks,
Russ

I want to keep the screens simple, so I didnt add rough and finish cuts. You could do that by just specifying 2 operations, the first to stop short of the final dimension, the second to be the finish cut.

However, I associated feed with the tool, so to change the feed you would need to do another tool operation.

I may have to re-think that. Ill listen to some more feedback and decide what to do.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 09, 2011, 10:11:53 AM
Will have to watch your vid first to make sure I am not missing things but first looks and the bits that are missing for me are

No M7
No M4

Screen is a bit too big so had to switch on AutoEnlarge

Would be nice if tool selection could be added to each page such as Face, Turn etc.

Cant seem to get the face to post in the file.

As said I will watch your vid this evening as I may be missing a lot from the quick look I had.

BTW reason I need M7 and M4 etc is I have a twin turret lathe and M7 is coolant for rear turret, M8 for front.

Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 09, 2011, 10:36:10 AM
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Cant seem to get the face to post in the file.

Damn, thats a real bug. When I removed the  #Expand stuff so this would be version independent I lost the actual code for doing the face. I dont see how I missed this in my testing, and I made several tests with face.

I have fixed the code, I will wait a few days to see if there are more bugs before I release a new version.

For now Facing operations dont work.

I can add the coolant and spindle direction to the tool page. I want to keep the tool page as it is, I see a tool change as a basic operation. It feels natural to associate things like feed rate, rotation direction, coolant to the tool. That will then apply to all following operations until you select a new tool.

I will get M3 and M7, M8 on the tool page for the next release.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: at6c on November 09, 2011, 11:34:21 AM
Hi Ron,
I loaded the Turn Wizard on my system.  When I tried to run the machine I get an message saying I can't run in demo mode.  Did I misread your post saying it would work but I couldn't save the file?  Thanks.
George
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 09, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
Thats fine Ron, I do see why you want to keep tool selection etc seperate. It will become second nature once the user becomes used to the setup :)
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 09, 2011, 02:41:51 PM
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I loaded the Turn Wizard on my system.  When I tried to run the machine I get an message saying I can't run in demo mode.  Did I misread your post saying it would work but I couldn't save the file?  Thanks.
George

The opening screen will say its in Demo mode, but you can use it, just select one of the buttons, probably File to starrt

Note I have updated to V0.03, see the first topic in this thread
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 09, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
Hi Ron, thanks for adding those options.
Afraid theres a problem on a few of the operations pages, format string is not allowing a neg value for X and Z on thread,  ID Chamfer, drill and bore pages.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 09, 2011, 03:27:46 PM
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Afraid theres a problem on a few of the operations pages, format string is not allowing a neg value for X and Z on thread,  ID Chamfer, drill and bore pages.


I didnt even know you could do that. I just took a look and see how that happened. Ill fix it. Let me know if anyone finds additional DROs like that.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 09, 2011, 03:40:42 PM
The safe X and Z on tool page also. Z likely wouldnt be a negative anyway on most setups but it is possible but X definitely needs a neg value for people with dual turrets  or gang tool setups.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on November 09, 2011, 05:11:58 PM
Hi Ron,
Just wondering if it would be worthwhile to add a button to post in a selected file from outside your wizard at any time of assembling a project.
Let me explain. One could use a file generated by LT or LC say for a profile and then use the wizard to go in and do additional specific work or
for that matter in preparation for a LT code output. The work done by the wizards would cover some of the shortcomings of LT.
That's powerfull if you think about it.

Didn't get a chance to test the Wizard yet.
RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on November 09, 2011, 06:23:23 PM
Ron,
For the Threading, seems you are determining that the depth of thread is not based on 0.866 x Pitch ( sharp v thread). Most users will be using a sharp V threading tool and thus the
X end value will be wrong if thread table is used. Fortunately you allow for the X End to be modified to adjust for end condition of the tool. Just wanted to point this out.

Haven't tested the generated threading code..........
Will the threading default to the the settings one has in Ports & Pins>Turn Options? ie; cut and infeed type

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 09, 2011, 09:42:06 PM
I will admit I did a very quick build of the thread table- but the whole point is its a simple text file and I expect users to fill in the table with values they like.

I need some help on from the metric guys- I have most of the DROs set to a 2.3 format. I know 99 inches is Ok for US guys, but is 99 units OK in metric land? Before I go through all the DROs to make sure that negative numbers are allowed Id like to know this, so if I need to use a 3.3 format I can make the changes in one pass.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 10, 2011, 02:41:41 AM
Does the leading 3 actually restrict things?
If it does then 3 would be a minimum I would say. My lathe has approx 400mm travel on the X and 1000 on the Z. I dont often use the full travel on the Z but have done and will do in the future.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Dale gribble on November 10, 2011, 05:21:02 AM
Hi Ron,

Nice work, just a note from a metric user, i think 4/3 format would cover most lathes.

Regards

Dale gribble
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 10, 2011, 07:53:32 AM
Thanks for the advice, I will edit the DROs to be sure I have the Signed bit checked and make them a 4.3 format, at least where it matters- i doubt anyone makes a cut depth of 1000 mm :)

I wont be able to work on this for a couple days, I have grandkids coming fro the long weekend and they keep me busy.

Keep the feedback coming, thats how we are going to make this wizard more useful
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 11, 2011, 02:14:24 PM
I have updated the demo on YouTube to the current screen. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiuQ9dKVzBM
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: 1stcuts on November 11, 2011, 02:46:51 PM
Hi Ron,

While in run mode, when toggling the "edit" button note pad ( or any other editor) does not come up.

However, it does rewind the program and start the program and the machine! This does not happen when

the wizard is not called.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: budman68 on November 11, 2011, 03:12:17 PM
Ron, just a thought for you, it might be an idea to do a video actually showing how you would use this in a real world situation. In other words, I'm not a very "experienced" lathe user, so the idea of watching a person using this on a machine while setting up and running a job, would be an enormous help to someone like me.

Just a thought  :)
Dave
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 11, 2011, 04:40:58 PM
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While in run mode, when toggling the "edit" button note pad ( or any other editor) does not come up.

However, it does rewind the program and start the program and the machine!

OK, I found that one, its fixed in the next release.

thanks
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 11, 2011, 05:22:17 PM
Hope to get a chance to test it out tomorrow, been a bit busy the last few days. May even try and do a quick vid to keep Dave smiling, wonder if he will understand my accent :D

Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: budman68 on November 11, 2011, 05:38:55 PM
'at-a-boy!  :D

And yeah, I'll understand your accent just fine, after all, I'm told my ancestors are from your area around there somewhere in that country of yours (McGregor)  ;)

Thanks,
Dave
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 12, 2011, 07:42:42 AM
Dave,
 sorry no vid yet as there are a few issues

Ron
 Either I am misunderstanding or its wrong, I thought the safe position on Tool page would be for the toolchange to happen but it actually does the change first then moves to that position which is not good.

Also on Boring page and possibly others if you enter negative values (I am using the front post for boring thus neg values as rear is default turret with pos X values) then say you want to bore from 25mm out to 30 I would enter X Start as -25 and X End as -30 but the wizard sees this as an error stating X Start (actually says Xatart)  can not be greater than X End. I can see why it would think that but its wrong :)


Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 12, 2011, 08:30:23 AM
You are correct on the tool change, I  will fix that.

Ive got to think about the negative values. Ive got to fix the DROs that wont allow negative values, I guess I better make all of them allow negative.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 12, 2011, 08:42:56 AM
I changed the DROs on my screenset so that allowed me to enter neg values, also changed the format for the tool number DRO to T%04.0f
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 12, 2011, 11:40:18 AM
V.004 is now up. Fixed DROs, tool change to do safe move before tool change and edit button works on Run screen
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 12, 2011, 12:14:13 PM
Will test it out tomorrow if I make it to the workshop.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: andrey@essexjewelers.com on November 12, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
V.004 is now up. Fixed DROs, tool change to do safe move before tool change and edit button works on Run screen

Ron,
Silly question, but where exactly did you post V.004?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 12, 2011, 03:04:54 PM
In the first post.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Dale gribble on November 12, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Hi Ron,

I've had a play with the wizards on my lathe instead of simulating them on my laptop and have found a few things.

I had to hide the task bar to be able to see the do it and post it buttons, my max screen res is 1024 x 768. I also noticed there is no g01 code in the peck and retract drill cycle, I manually added G01 every other line and could not enter a negative number in Zend.

Excellent work so far

Regards

Dale
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 13, 2011, 04:27:50 AM
Dale I mentioned the oversize screen to Ron as well, the way to get round it at the moment is to use Auto Enlarge option on Machs General Config page but personally I would prefer the screenset for the wizard to be slightly resized to fit properly.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Dale gribble on November 13, 2011, 06:59:10 AM
Hi Hood,

Thanks for the help I did try auto enlarge (I'd seen your previous post) but due to having a custom screen set it messed it all up.

Regards

Dale
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: at6c on November 14, 2011, 11:59:17 AM
Ron,
Running Mach 3.042.040 and TW V.04.

I am seeing different code when a run a process in TW vs going back to Mach3.  For example in TW once I do a tool change it won't post the code in TW, it assumes TC was done.  It skips the move to the TC position and starts the next operation.  If I exit and run the same file in Mach it post the code with the TC first and then it moves to the TC position.   If I go back to TW and look at the code there it is the same as when in Mach, that is it does the TC and then the move to the TC position.

If I run say a TC and then a Facing op in TW the end of the Facing op has a M3 command.  No other ops follow so an M5 would make sense to me.   Now if I go back to TW from Mach and look at the code there is no M command at the end.

Maybe I am thinking about this wrong since I haven't used TW that much yet, but I would like to see the code more consistent when I run a file in TW vs Mach.

Thanks,
George
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 14, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
The tool change issues were fixed in the latest version. Go the top reply in this topic to get the code.

The wizard creates a file called New Program.tap No changes are made to the file when you exit from the wizard, unless there is no license. I dont see how you can see  different code when view directly in Mach. The file end button adds an M30 to the end of the file. If you exit the wizard without the file end you wont have that M30 so Mach may not display the end of the file correctly
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: at6c on November 14, 2011, 02:03:53 PM
Ron,
I am running version .04 I downloaded it this morning.  In TW the move to TC position is before the TC, when I go to Mach the code that shows up has the TC then the move to the TC position.
George
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 14, 2011, 03:00:30 PM
Been a bit busy on the lathe today I am afraid so never got much testing done, did manage to do a rough turn on dia and then a finish turn and it seemed fine although I did get an cypress error, forgot to bring the screenshot home with me I am afraid so cant post, will attach tomorrow.
Also still cant bore due to the negative values for X that I need, do you think you will get that worked out or is it going to be a problem?

One thing that gets me every time is the Start X , I keep putting in the dia of the stock and it will run a pass at that dia so have to remember to deduct my DOC from stock so as not to waste a pass. Also similar on a finish pass, say its 52mm dia and I want to take to 50mm with DOC of 1mm then it will do two passes if I put in 52 as start and 50 as end, first pass being 52mm. So what is needed is 50mm for X start and 50mm for X End, just seems a bit strange to have to do that?
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 14, 2011, 03:01:48 PM
Oh just to say my Toolchange was fine with this version.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 14, 2011, 03:22:58 PM
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Also still cant bore due to the negative values for X that I need, do you think you will get that worked out or is it going to be a problem?

I fixed the DRO so you can enter negative numbers. I still have the test and error message. I suppose I could make the message just a warning, and go ahead and post the code. If you are using a back tool you will understand the message.

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One thing that gets me every time is the Start X , I keep putting in the dia of the stock and it will run a pass at that dia so have to remember to deduct my DOC from stock so as not to waste a pass. Also similar on a finish pass, say its 52mm dia and I want to take to 50mm with DOC of 1mm then it will do two passes if I put in 52 as start and 50 as end, first pass being 52mm. So what is needed is 50mm for X start and 50mm for X End, just seems a bit strange to have to do that?

I thought about that for a while. It seems wrong to make Xstart the stock value, then start cutting at a different number. Making Xstart be the actual start value seems more correct.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 14, 2011, 03:28:27 PM
Yes message would be fine for me.

Any CAM I have used works on stock dia and makes the first cut as stock minus DOC but only used a couple of different CAMs on the lathe so maybe thats not the norm?.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: catman711 on November 17, 2011, 11:39:43 PM
I agree with Hood

I on Mazak's and in Mastercam you enter stock size, not first cut.

If i have a 1.0 diam. and I want to take .0312 depth of cut, I would need to 1.0 - .0312 = .9688.

So I would need a calculator, or do the math in my head. Too easy to mess up, or typo.

I would trust the software over my brain most days. ;D

Or if I need to change depth of cut I also need to change start of cut. (the way it is now)

Also it would be nice to have 4 places after "." for us inch guys ;D

Would it be hard to add a mm/inch button? This way you could have 3.4 for inch and 4.3 for mm?

Thanks, Mike
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 18, 2011, 07:58:49 AM
I agree that the stock size makes sense on the turn operation. But then in other screens, like face or taper, it seems Xstart should be the exact start size of the first cut. So if I made turn be stock size it would make Xstart inconsistent.

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Would it be hard to add a mm/inch button? This way you could have 3.4 for inch and 4.3 for mm?

That cannot be done, the size of the DROs is set in the screenset design process, it cannot be altered by code. Do guys really use 4 decimal places in turn code? Im happy when I get my turn stuff right to a thou :-)
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on November 18, 2011, 05:41:06 PM
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Do guys really use 4 decimal places in turn code?
I do.
Ron,
Four decimal places is a practical limit. Some machines will not achieve it but there are some which will or spllt that thou.
Additionaly for threading, the three decimal places will affect lead and class fit.

I would say that the code / software should never be a determining factor on the accuracy for a machining operation.

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 21, 2011, 07:40:54 AM
OK, I agree, stock size as Xstart makes sense. It is the starting X value, and the wizard will make its first cut at Xstart- cut depth.

Ill get a new version out with that and a few other fixes soon.

EDIT!

In the current version I calculate an actual cut value that is less than the one specified, but will make an integer number of cuts. In my new code I  make the cuts as requested, and the last cut may be some small value. Is this better?

I just realized that the Face operation does the same thing-- it makes its first cut at the Zstart value. Is this OK? or should I also assume Zstart means the end of the stock before the face operation.

On another topic, Id like to add a filet at the end of the turn operation. That seems like a common need. But I dont understand how to specify the G03 move. If I use I,J mode how do I deal with Dia vs, Radius/ Anyone understand filets in turn?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: catman711 on November 22, 2011, 01:03:44 AM
In the current version I calculate an actual cut value that is less than the one specified, but will make an integer number of cuts. In my new code I  make the cuts as requested, and the last cut may be some small value. Is this better?

I think the first way is better. Unless they enter the depth correct you will need to calculate actual cut depth anyway. I would prefer it respect my finish pass depth. This way you could control chip load for consistent
finishes.

Also any CAD/CAM or conversational control, the depth of cut is maximum depth not actual.
 
I just realized that the Face operation does the same thing-- it makes its first cut at the Zstart value. Is this OK? or should I also assume Zstart means the end of the stock before the face operation.

My vote is for z start to be end of stock.

On another topic, Id like to add a filet at the end of the turn operation. That seems like a common need. But I dont understand how to specify the G03 move. If I use I,J mode how do I deal with Dia vs, Radius/ Anyone understand filets in turn?

I no longer have access to a lathe cad system, so maybe someone else could do this.

   Draw and program a simple shape with radius on end.
   Send you a print of what was programed.
   Send you the g-code output by CAM system.

I am in the process of getting parts to convert my Okuma LB15 to Mach. These wizards are exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you for making these Ron

Mike
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 22, 2011, 07:34:06 AM
The two Cams I have used (FeatureCAM and Dolphin) I think  keep the DOC at the setting you put per pass and if needed the last pass will be less. Then you do a finish pass as a second operation.

Fillet on a turning op would hopefully be optional?

Agree Z Start should be end of stock and all cuts are that less DOC.

FeatureCAM put in R's and Dolphin, which I use now, uses IK,  not sure how it does things but I think it will be in the Post Processor that the way things are done is defined. I know there are Rad and Dia posts for Dolphin, will have a look and see if I can work it out.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 22, 2011, 09:10:46 AM
On the depth of cut I guess I cant win- some like it each way. I had some complaints on the Mill wizards about not following the requested cut. Ill see how ugly it would be to add a check button for user choice.

Face will be fixed to assume Zend means end of stock and first cut will be off that. Same issue here as in turn as to even cuts or follow the entered number. Again, if its not to ugly in the code ill offer a choice.

Radius could be set to zero to get a sharp corner- at least as sharp as your tool.

I got out my Smid book and have been reading about turn and radius. Since this is so common you would think Id find an example, but I will keep digging.

Thanks for the inputs.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 22, 2011, 02:16:59 PM
I think most facing operations are really just done to clean up the stock face so the majority would be done in a single pass anyway.
Still not had a chance to compare the Posts but will try in a bit.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 22, 2011, 04:09:28 PM
Ron, just looked at the posts and here is the only thing I can see that would relate to G2/G3 for Dia and Rad
Rad post is
#I = { $XCEN:XARC }
#K = { $YCEN:YARC }

Dia post is
#I = { $XCEN:XARC }
#K = { ($YCEN/2):YARC }

In the Dolphin Posts for Turn X axis is Z and Y axis is X ;D

Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on November 22, 2011, 07:28:08 PM
Ron,
If you want turning example codes have a look at Mach3 Turn - ARC Motion in Members Docs ( page 13 to 19).
I believe i posted the code for all the examples so you can actualy run the files  and see the affects of the differences using the G02 & G03 commands on the lathe.
Covers a lot of territory .......

Hopefully I will get some time and test out the wizard this weekend. You need to realize that everyone will appoach turning somewhat differently.


Hood,
Are you using the available Mach post processors for Dolphin?

RICH

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on November 23, 2011, 05:52:40 AM
Rich,
 I modified the standard Dia post quite a bit to suit my lathe and what I wanted. Things I did were

                Toolchange position is for turret in use and not turret that is next.
                Threading changed to G76 rather than G32
                Coolant is dependant on tool used
                M5 will be issued befor M3/M4  if spindle is to be reversed
                Modality  has been changed so that code is only written if position will change
                Arcs are reversed if front turret iin use
                X values negated if front turret in use
                Drill cycles now produced long hand rather than canned cycles
                G90.1 inserted in preamble
                Changed threading Rules for both External and Internal to produce correct thread  height from nominal and pitch dimensions.



Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: ggagnon on December 05, 2011, 04:10:17 PM
Brand new user here and a bit clueless. Sorry if these questions have already been covered but I didn't find the answer.
1. Where is the Single Step button in NFS Wizard?
2. I wish I could set the Plunge Rate (z axis) independently from the z axis. Any way this can be done?
3. For the same jog speed, the tool behaves very differently in x and z directions. This is probably due to very different screws. I'm I condemned to change the jog speed when going from one axis to the other or there is a way around this problem, how do you guys do?

Thanks,
Gaston

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 06, 2011, 07:56:30 AM
1)I tried to keep the screen simple so I didn't put all the jog controls on the main screen, but the TAB key pops up a full jog window, just like the main mach screen. Or do you mean the single block setting for running programs?

2)I don't understand this. What plunge rate do you mean, on the drill screen?

3)I have never heard of that being a problem. I don't think its possible to have different jog rate. You could use motor tuning to slow the faster axis, but then all your G0 moves would be slower.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: ggagnon on December 06, 2011, 09:22:24 AM
Thanks for your reply Ron.

1)I tried to keep the screen simple so I didn't put all the jog controls on the main screen, but the TAB key pops up a full jog window, just like the main mach screen. Or do you mean the single block setting for running programs?

What I meant by Single Step is the button called Single in the original Cycle screen.

Quote from: Ron
2)I don't understand this. What plunge rate do you mean, on the drill screen?

Please refer to Lathe Turning Wizard by Brina/Kiran - ID Facing
There you have Plunge rate and Roughing and Finish Feed rate. Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is Plunge rate determines the speed with which the tool plunges in the material along the Z axis while the Feed rate determine the speed of the tool along the X axis.


Quote from: Ron
3)I have never heard of that being a problem. I don't think its possible to have different jog rate. You could use motor tuning to slow the faster axis, but then all your G0 moves would be slower.

I will be replacing the motors later today and will be returning with this one after more tests.

One more thing. I cannot jog with the keyboards arrows in either Manual and Run screens, only in Tool Offset, Diag1 and Diag2 screens. Do you have any idea what I could have gone wrong?
Thanks
Gaston
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: ggagnon on December 07, 2011, 11:48:30 PM
Ron or anyone care to comment?

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 08, 2011, 08:22:06 AM
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What I meant by Single Step is the button called Single in the original Cycle screen.

I guess I left that button off the screens. I can add it in the next revision.

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There you have Plunge rate and Roughing and Finish Feed rate. Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is Plunge rate determines the speed with which the tool plunges in the material along the Z axis while the Feed rate determine the speed of the tool along the X axis.

I didn't do it that way. I make rapid moves until the tool is cutting, then it moves at the feed rate associated with the tool. I didn't want to have to add a feed rate to every cut cycle, and it seemed to me that associating it with the tool made sense.

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One more thing. I cannot jog with the keyboards arrows in either Manual and Run screens, only in Tool Offset, Diag1 and Diag2 screens. Do you have any idea what I could have gone wrong?

Jog only works on screens that have a jog control on them, thats just how mach works. I tried to put a jog control on any screen where you need one. I do not see the need for jog while on an operation screen where you are filing in numbers. The manual and Run screens should have a jog control, and if I have missed it I will add it in the next release.

I have been distracted by some other things, but I want to get a new release out in the next day or two.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: ggagnon on December 08, 2011, 09:54:41 AM
Quote from: Ron Ginger
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What I meant by Single Step is the button called Single in the original Cycle screen.

I guess I left that button off the screens. I can add it in the next revision.

Thanks.

Quote from: Gaston
There you have Plunge rate and Roughing and Finish Feed rate. Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is Plunge rate determines the speed with which the tool plunges in the material along the Z axis while the Feed rate determine the speed of the tool along the X axis.
Quote from: Ron
I didn't do it that way. I make rapid moves until the tool is cutting, then it moves at the feed rate associated with the tool. I didn't want to have to add a feed rate to every cut cycle, and it seemed to me that associating it with the tool made sense.

I look on the Tool Offset screen and did not see any reference to speed. Where is that specified?

Quote from: Gaston
One more thing. I cannot jog with the keyboards arrows in either Manual and Run screens, only in Tool Offset, Diag1 and Diag2 screens. Do you have any idea what I could have gone wrong?

Quote from: Ron
Jog only works on screens that have a jog control on them, thats just how mach works. I tried to put a jog control on any screen where you need one. I do not see the need for jog while on an operation screen where you are filing in numbers. The manual and Run screens should have a jog control, and if I have missed it I will add it in the next release.

I'm not sure what Jog Control you are referring to. On every screen I can click the Jog  button (top right) and the green light goes on/off.

Allso on every screen I can press Tab and get the Jog Pane appearing where I get movement when I click with the mouse on Z+ and Z-- or JogX-- and JogX++ buttons but the keyboard arrows refuse to work on Manual and Run screens.
 
Other than that I see no other Jog Controls.

Thanks for your time Ron.
Gaston
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 08, 2011, 09:48:26 PM
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I look on the Tool Offset screen and did not see any reference to speed. Where is that specified?

Use the Tool Select in the lower line of buttons. That is the one that creates a Tool select operation to be entered in the program.  The tool offset screen is where you would set up offset in the tool table
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 12, 2011, 01:35:44 PM
I have a new version, 1.05 that includes the following:


V0.05
change  Xstart-Xend test on bore to be a warning, not an error
changed Turn so Xstart is stock dia, first cut will be Xstart-Xcut
also now will make cuts as specified, with last pass smaller.
Fixed all DRO to allow 4.4 format, shiftedd and aligned to improve layout
Added Single Block button to Run screen


I have some concern about the Bore cycles with negative numbers. I cant quite get my head around that with a rear tool post,so I may be allowing an invalid condition, or it may get into some loop. Be very cautious if you try this.

As always the new version is in the first reply of this topic. Be sure when you unzzip it that it winds up in Turnaddons/NFSturn without a version number.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on December 12, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
Will hopefully get a chance to test it out tomorrow for you, will definitely let you know how the negative values for boring etc work out.
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on December 12, 2011, 02:58:50 PM
Hi Ron, afraid the Bore is still wrong.
 If you start at x=40 and end at x-80 the wizard starts at -40 and works its way to -2 which is DOC, not sure whats happening there. Then Last pass starts at x-80 which would be a major crash ;D
Thought maybe reversing the x start and end but that seems to work as it should, obviously wrong as its starting at biggest Dia and working to smallest, so that was no use :D
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Dale gribble on December 12, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
Hi Ron,

I've just loaded version 5, there is still a problem with peck-pause and peck-retract  putting out G0 instead of G01. Continuousis is working fine. Excellent work so far.

Regards

Dale
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 12, 2011, 05:03:44 PM
I found the peck G0s and fixed them in what will be the next release.

Hood, help me with  the rear tool post and negative numbers. What combinations are valid? You suggested "If you start at x=40 and end at x-80 " Is it valid to start at a +ive value and go to -ive?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on December 12, 2011, 05:24:35 PM
Ron, sorry that was a typo, should have been -40 and not =40.
It is possible for me to have the front turret go positive (on my lathe Front turret is secondary so negative values, rear turret is default so positive values) but for a boring or turning op that would not be the case. A facing op or parting op then yes it may be slightly positive at some point, for example facing I may choose to go to X+0.4 so as to account for nose rad.

Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 13, 2011, 05:53:25 PM
OK, lets see if I have this right.

If a rear tool post is setup and used for boring it will always have small negative numbers for Xstart going to larger numbers for Xend. It cant go positive, and it cant be a real small negative number, because a boring bar has to have some diameter. I wont test for a min size, but I will check to see that ABS(Xstart)< ABS(Xend) I will make cuts assuming Xstart is the starting dia/radius and make the first cut at Xstart-Cut

Does this sound right?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on December 13, 2011, 06:58:31 PM
Hi Ron, yes that sounds right :)
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: ggagnon on December 14, 2011, 11:05:48 AM
Hi Ron,
I have installed version 5.
Thanks for adding the Single block button. By the way, how do we know it Single is On? The only way I found is to click Regen and if the Regen process freezes then it means Single was active. Not very convenient. There must be an other way. In mill, there is a light that witnesses its state but neither Turn nor the NFZ wizard has this led.

One more thing.
I still cannot jog with the keyboards arrows in either Manual and Run screens, only in Tool Offset, Diag1 and Diag2 screens.
When I exit the wizard to the original Turn, jog works all right with keyboard arrows.
As nobody reported this I am most likely the only one with this problem but having to change screen to job is a no go for this wizard.  
Anything I or you can do about this?
Thanks
Gaston

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 14, 2011, 11:28:14 AM
I will add an LED for single block.

The jog is not your fault, it doesnt work here either. Ill fix that
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Sparky_NY on December 16, 2011, 12:36:47 AM
Dale I mentioned the oversize screen to Ron as well, the way to get round it at the moment is to use Auto Enlarge option on Machs General Config page but personally I would prefer the screenset for the wizard to be slightly resized to fit properly.
Hood

This still needs to be fixed.  I ran into the same issue with my laptop on 1024x768 and spent a couple hours chasing my tail before I came here and confrimed it is a bug.   I also noticed the screen layout needs some tweaking, some text boxes cut off the end of the text, some screen elements overlap others slightly etc.   I have not yet actually tried the wizards yet, just loaded and looked around.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: thosj on January 20, 2012, 09:52:41 PM
I'm new to Mach lathe and discovered this Wizard thread. Read it all and it was humming along nicely and suddenly just STOPPED! What happened?

So if I understand correctly I buy the Mach3 Mill Add for $50 and that gets me this turn wizard?

Tom
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on January 21, 2012, 10:45:25 AM
Yes, the NFS turn wizard is part of the Newfangled set and you must buy the license. One license is good for all the NFS wizards, tunr, maill copycat, drilwiz and mill power feed

In each case the wizard will let you try parts of it without the license.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: thosj on January 21, 2012, 11:05:52 AM
Hey, Ron, where has everybody been here? This thread was pretty hot in December, then on 12/16, it just stopped. Is there still work being done on the Lathe Wizard, or is it done an v05?

I was looking for turn with a fillet radius at the end, but didn't see how to do that. I didn't look too much because I couldn't save anything. I'll pay and see what I can figure out. I did watch the YouTube video!!


Thanks,

Tom
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on January 21, 2012, 12:49:22 PM
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where has everybody been here?

We are around.  ;)
I myself went to test / try out the wizard but have a problem with my lathe so surely comments will come as folks use it.
 :)
BTW, Ron, it's a nice practical wizard......

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on January 21, 2012, 02:31:10 PM
I intend to do a turn that ends in a fillet. If you set the fillet radius to zero it leaves a square corner as it does now. I have that code written but have to test it.

I have to do some work on the graphics, I guess some guys dont like it taking the full screen, but want to see the task bar on the bottom.

I have some work on a next version, but then the holidays, and Cabin Fever got in the way. Ill be back to it soon.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: thosj on January 21, 2012, 08:34:45 PM
Cool, thanks for the update. Just as I got interested in the wizard, it seemed to have died. Glad to know it will spring back to life. I, for one, am looking forward to any improvements.

Did you say you took the #Expand stuff out? I think you did, right? I some how or another have v02 installed that must have installed with a version of Mach. I reinstalled 3.043.056 on my test pc today to try and get the wizard, but didn't get it. I don't know what's going on there or why I had it on one computer and not the other. I'll download v05 from here and see what I can figure out.

Tom
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on January 21, 2012, 09:43:38 PM
yes, I no longer use the #expand. Its a helpful feature for support, but it doesnt run on old versions.

I try to be sure Brian always puts the latest version in the distribution, but he often misses it. Just get the latest version from the forum and load it to be sure.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard -Gang tooled Machines-
Post by: Marty_Escarcega on January 28, 2012, 10:07:08 AM
Ron, nice work on the wizard. I am a newbie, these wizards will help me get started.
I would like to ask a question. Could something be incorporated into the wizard that allows for a gang tooled machine, where all the tools are on the table and are simply offset from each other.

How could I make that work when I select the tool? Say a facing tool is in tool block 1, then center drill is in tool block 2, drill bit is in tool block 3 and they are each offset 1.00"

These wizards should make it much easier for a newbie to get started in CNC and actually produce something.  :)
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on January 28, 2012, 02:53:53 PM
That should work just fine. First you would have to setup all your tools in the tool table. Once that was done simply calling the correct tool before each operation will cause mach to apply the tool offsets.  That is why I included teh tool setup screen. It is essentially copied directly from the standard turn screen set. Read the tune manual to see how to make the setup
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: tantan on April 10, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
hi ron,

great wizard. but i have one request.

if i fill in the OD threading DRO's like: z-start = -10 and z-end = 1 your wizard generates an alarm that says that z-start must be greater than z-end. is it possible not to check for this like the "simple threading wizard" does. because it depends on how the user would like to cut the thread. i have an EmcoTurn 120 and on my machine it is much more easier to cut the thread from left to right.



tnx TanTan

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Bengt on April 17, 2012, 12:24:09 PM
Hi Ron,

I would like to chear in and say it is a very fine job you have done with the wizard. Having some requests, ID Thread and ID Taper as well as Tapers to have taper.txt so we can have pre defined tapers like MT1, BT40 etc

Cheers
Bengt
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 17, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
Actually, the thread wizard is supposed to do internal threading if you set the Xstart and Xend appropriately, I have not tried this, but the threading code looks like it should work.

If you want to try it some air cuts first might be wise.

I want to add a taper table, will get to it someday.

glad you like the wizard.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Patriot Fan on April 26, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
I have watched the video on you-tube and downloaded TurnWiz.  I have the license for Mach3 and Wiz lic. I think it's a great and useful
tool to add. However when I down loaded and added to the turn addons file I'm not getting the "DO_IT and POST" buttons when I try to create a program. I've checked the Bitmaps file and they are not there. Please help with this, It would be greatly appriciated.
 Thank you,
  Mark
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 26, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
This is a screen size problem. I did my work on a large screen, and I thought I had set the finish screen size to be 1024x768, but several guys have had trouble with the bottom row of buttons. I dont see a problem on my machine, but Im sure there is something there.

I will try to find a small screen to try this on and get it right.

What size monitor do you use?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Bengt on April 26, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
Hi Ron,

This reminded me to tell you that I use 12" monitor with touch screen in 800x600

(http://forumbilder.se/thumbs/d8620121053532de0.jpg) (http://forumbilder.se/show.aspx?iid=d8620121053532de0)

Cheers
Bengt
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Patriot Fan on April 26, 2012, 05:01:16 PM
It's an Acer AL1916W 19" monitor. Thank youn for the quick reply.
 Mark
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 26, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
I just checked and the screen set is designed at 1024x768. I guess that accounts for an 800x600 screen not showing the bottom row of buttons. I thought the auto re-size would handle that but I guess it doesnt.

Mark, what screen resolution do you use?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Sparky_NY on April 26, 2012, 08:50:23 PM
Auto resize worked for me with a 12" screen.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Patriot Fan on April 26, 2012, 09:47:55 PM
Ron, I will check the res. on my screen, right now I'm sending
this from my phone. However the " DO-IT & POST" buttons  are not
in the Bitmaps file. I don't know if that helps.
Thanks, Mark
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 26, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
there are no bit maps- they are just plain buttons, not image buttons.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Patriot Fan on April 27, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Ron,
  I checked my screen and it is 1024x768. I tried the auto adjust and that didn't work and then tried to manual adjust and it wont bring up the bottom of the screen. I can see a bar at the bottom of the screen, but other than that it looks just like your video.
 Thanks ,
 Mark
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Bengt on April 27, 2012, 03:45:25 PM
Hi Ron,
Went down to my workshop and loaded the wizard in my lathe, as you can see it fit well and is readable in 12" 800x600 resolution.
However if I need to do any configuration at far righthand side I need to have another screen, I wish those pages would be AUTO-SCALING too.

One IMPORTANT request, there is no manual jogging via keyboard so I really want to push on this upgrade asap to have this wizard fully functional.

Cheers from Sweden
Bengt
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Patriot Fan on April 27, 2012, 04:24:36 PM
Ron,
 I went back to the auto configure and then turned my computor off. When I opened the program everything was there. You were right about the screen. Thank you, now I can enjoy this great new wizard. I really appriciate all of your help, now I can go make some chips!
 Thanks,
 Mark

PS: I plan to make some videos of my machine in action and will post on You-Tube.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Patriot Fan on June 07, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
Hi Ron,
  I've been having a problem with OD thread in NSFturn. My machine works great with all of the other funtions, but when I load a thread from the thread library the X axis moves in from home and when the program gets to the G76 line the Z axis stays still and the program just sits. I've made sure that the feed is in inches per revolution. I've uninstalled NSFturn and downloaded it again to see if I had a bug in downloading. As I said turn, face ,OD taper and drill work fine. I've added some specialty threads to the thread library, that I use and they re-act in the same manner. This wizard is a great tool and saves me alot of time.
Thanks,
Mark
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on June 07, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
It sounds like you have something wrong with your threading setup. The wizard simply writes a line of code, then its up to Mach to run it.

Threading only works for a licensed version of mach- the demo will not thread.

Threading requires an index pulse, have you checked it on the diagnostics page. Note you need to rotate the spindle by hand because the LED only flashes on briefly once per rev.

There are some other threading suggestions in the general mach part of this forum.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Bengt on June 08, 2012, 04:20:50 AM
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One IMPORTANT request, there is no manual jogging via keyboard so I really want to push on this upgrade asap to have this wizard fully functional.

Hi Ron,
Have you had a chance to look at this?

Cheers
Bengt
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on July 07, 2012, 09:10:14 AM
Hi Ron,
Reguarding Drill:
- Is the Dwell time just a default to a value of 1 or can one set it to different value somewhere?

- Seems like for Zend  values of less than -1 the Peck and Peck Retract do not provide the correct code for the cycles.

RICH
  
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on July 07, 2012, 12:33:19 PM
yes, the 1 sec dwell is built in to the program. I dont like to add to many DROs since it makes the input screens more complicated.

I dont see the problem with Zend values. Can yu give me an example?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on July 07, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
I have fixed a couple issues, see topic 1 for the new zip file
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Bengt on July 07, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
Hi Ron,

Thanks for the update, will try to run this tomorrow on my lathe so I can report back.

Cheers
Bengt
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on July 08, 2012, 05:48:16 AM
Ron,
Attached is an example.

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: wbleeker on July 17, 2012, 12:36:36 AM
Hi Ron
I am having trouble getting the wizard to work, I have taken the version number off the zipped file and unzipped it in turn addons, and i get a message that something is misssing, it also dosent show the author etc in the list?
I have the licence file in c/mach3 and the other NFS wizards are working
Thanks
Will
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on July 17, 2012, 07:33:18 AM
The folder structure should be  as follows.

TurnAddons
    NFSturn
        Bitmaps
          (many bit map files)
        ChangeLog.txt
        GcodeEnd.tap
        GcodeStart.tap
        Init.m1s
        NFSturn.set
        NFSturn.set.def
        Threads.txt

If this doesnt help please tell me what the error message says is missing.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: wbleeker on July 17, 2012, 11:24:11 PM
Hi Ron
I checked and all the files are there, the message I got today when I tried to open the wizards was,
Error Triggered  ART Code 8877
Attempt Recovery
Yes - Nothing Happens
No - Mach closes and wants to send an error report.

Thanks
Will
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on July 18, 2012, 06:29:20 AM
Ron,
Have you had a chance to look at the drill cycle coding?
RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on July 18, 2012, 06:58:39 AM
That is an internal Mach error, not a wizard error. Does it happen every time you try to start the wizard? Does it happen when starting any other wizard?

How about if you start the machine with a mill profile and try to start a wizard?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: wbleeker on July 18, 2012, 07:04:53 AM
Ron it only happens when I try to start the NFS turn wizard, i have started the standard turn wizards and the NFS wizards in the mill profile.
Will
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on July 18, 2012, 07:08:01 AM
OK, Ill try to get Brian to look at it. There is really nothing unusual about the NFSturn wizard that should trigger an error.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Steambuilder on August 18, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Great wizard, Ron!  Will you be adding an OD Radius operation in the near future. It would be a great help
Also is there a way to call this wizard from an OEM code?
Thanks
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on August 18, 2012, 09:14:00 PM
Im looking for a 'round to it' I have been working a lot on the new mach4 mill wizards, getting close to done now. I will get it, hopefully soon.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Steambuilder on August 29, 2012, 04:49:44 PM
Is there a way to call the NFSTurn Wizard from an OEM code? I tried DoOemCode (321) but that doesn't seem to do anything. I'm just tired of having to make all the clicks to get there.
Thanks for any help
Doug
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on August 29, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
no, not that I am aware of.

It is interesting that through most of the development of the turn wizards I planned to make them a screen set instead of a wizard. That way they would come up directly with mach. At the end we decided to go to a wizard format for reasons related to the license and distribution.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: BR549 on October 09, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
Make a Screen Button and use this code

LoadWizard(" NFSturn ")


Note: To call the wizards selection page it is

DoOemButton(321)


Just a thought, (;-) TP
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Steambuilder on October 09, 2012, 03:12:51 PM
Thanks TP! That helps a lot.  Now if I can figure out how to call this from my Logitech controller I'll be in business. I like to keep mouse clicks to a minimum.
Thanks Again
Doug
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: davidimurray on January 03, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
Just bought a licence as I thought the wizards would be useful for my mill and lathe.

Started with turn programming up some pins I need to make. They consist of a few parallel steps and then a tapered countersunk head. When I started working on the taper I noticed something strange -

When I programme the taper from Z0 to Z-1 the toolpath shows the taper as expected. However when I programme a taper from z-1 to z-2 I get a strange result in the toolpath window - the taper seems to be inverted - see the attached screenshots.

Is this a bug in the wizards? Haven't tried running the lathe as it's too cold to go into the garage!

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on January 03, 2013, 05:53:06 PM
Ok, I see the problem, I will work on it.

I am a bit unsure how to handle it however. If I start all the cuts at Z=0, and you previously made the small cylinder then I will be re-cutting. But if I just  start at Zstart, -1, then Im going to crash into the stock between Z0 and Z-1.

Thats a problem when each operation is independent.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: davidimurray on January 04, 2013, 03:14:49 PM
Ron

Thanks for having a look at this.

If I was machining this job I would programme the machine to turn the parallel section first (From z0 to Z-1) then move onto the tapered section from (Z-1 to Z-2) - it is upto the user to ensure they programme the parallel section first.

I haven't tried using the taper turn wizard so I'm not sure if yours will do this, but I do have a problem with the standard Mach turning wizards when cutting a taper. Clearance is added to the start of each move in the X and Z, this is fine when machining a standalone itme but if machining a taper attached to a parallel section then the clearance results in an undercut that cuts down into the parallel section.

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on January 05, 2013, 07:00:22 PM
Ok, I have fixed this problem. If Zstart is other than Zero the wizard will generate code that is correct, but assumes you have already removed the material from Z zero to Zstart.

As always, the new version is a zip file attached to the first entry in this topic.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: davidimurray on January 06, 2013, 03:07:42 PM
Thanks for looking at this Ron. Just tried a test file and noticed one small issue. When taper turning, it would appear the infeed has the G0 and G1 the wrong way around - see attached screenshot.

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: adm2loco on April 01, 2013, 05:23:27 PM
Hi Ron,
I am new to CNC and have not long downloaded mach3 and the NFS wizards and licence, I really like the wizards as it makes creating G-code simple and easy for most jobs.
I down loaded the new turn wizard and as I am in Australia I work mainly in metric units. I would like to know if there is a way to add another DRO to include the pitch of
a thread so that I can select either imperial or metric threads, at present I can not get the system to cut a metric thread as it comes back with an error message on whatever
line I try to implement the threading G-code on.
Looking forward to your reply.
Allan
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 01, 2013, 07:36:56 PM
Well, this is a bit embarrassing.  I thought it was set up so that a metric user just entered the pitch in the line labeled TPI and the code handled it, but now looking at the code I think it does not.

Can one of the metric users come in here and tell me if it does handle metric threads correctly? I cannot believe in over a year of this being out no one has complained about this before.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: cncalex on April 02, 2013, 04:38:51 PM
Hi Ron,

Quote
Can one of the metric users come in here and tell me if it does handle metric threads correctly?

Yes and no  ;D

When you type in the correct TPI ( we should call it TPMM in this case ) then you will be fine.
The problem is in metric we don't use TPI ( TPMM ) , we use TPT ( Thread per Turn )
Or in other words the imperialist says e.g. 20 turn per unit  and the metric says e.g. 1.5 units per turn.

If Alan want to code a thread then he have to calculate it for now . Example: Thread M20 x 2.5 =

1/2.5 = 0,4 TPI ( TPMM )


Hope that helps.  ;D

Alex

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: adm2loco on April 02, 2013, 07:59:24 PM
Thanks Alex, I can now load the thread cut part into the file without any errors coming up, but I think I was expecting the wizard to do certain tasks automatically. I thought that when you picked thread cutting from the menu it would load the G95 code to tell the machine to feed at units per revolution and override what was in the feed DRo for that tool. I also can't get the feed dro to read my feed, it sits there at units 0.0000 all the time and was't sure if this was causing an error. The other point I found was that the tool has to be selected manually at the top left side of the screen on each tool change or it will stay at tool 1 right through to end of code, again I assumed that when the code asked for tool 2 it would change to tool 2 offsets, all my mistakes as I am still learning. Thanks again for your help
Regards Allan
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 03, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
I could add a DRO for a pitch input and make the logic look for either TPI or Pitch, whichever was non-zero, and give an error message if both had non-zero values. I would have to put pitch as the last param in the threads.txt file.

I will try to do this in the next day or two.

I dont think a G95 is needed before a thread operation, the G76 thread cycle does the correct move.

I dont understand your issues on the tool change. I think it works correctly.

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: adm2loco on April 03, 2013, 02:59:20 PM
Hello Ron,
Thankyou for your reply concerning thread pitch Dro , I will look for it in the future.
Would you have any suggestions to why the feed Dro will not display work and reads 0 all the time. Is there somewhere I can
Go to look to see if this Dro is activated or not.
Thanks again for your help and time put into replying.
Regards Allan
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 17, 2013, 04:16:30 PM
I am not sure if making an edit to the first topic sends a message to guys watching this note, but I put a new version in topic 1 with an update for the metric threads. You now have a DRO to enter both TPI and pitch. One of them must be zero, enter a value in the one you want to use.

I did this in my hotel while traveling between Cabin Fever and NAMES ME shows, so obviously I have not tested it on a real machine, but the code looks correct. I cannot check the feed DRO until I get back to my shop.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: tantan on April 18, 2013, 02:47:55 PM
hi ron,

great wizard. but i have one request.

if i fill in the OD threading DRO's like: z-start = -10 and z-end = 1 your wizard generates an alarm that says that z-start must be greater than z-end. is it possible not to check for this like the "simple threading wizard" does. because it depends on how the user would like to cut the thread. i have an EmcoTurn 120 and on my machine it is much more easier to cut the thread from left to right. simply leave the check if z end is smaller than z-start will do the trick



tnx TanTan
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 07, 2013, 03:39:23 PM
Can i get this wizard the turn wizard that i saw on your first post i have the ad don licence or do i need something Else ?

Thanks
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 07, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
If you have the Newfangled Wizard license, which cost $50, then you are all set for the NFStrun and Mill wizards.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 07, 2013, 05:44:49 PM
I have the (MACH3 Addons ) Now do i need The (Newfangled Solutions Mill Wizards) to beable to use the new NFStrun ?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 07, 2013, 07:22:36 PM
No, MACH3 Addons is the same thing as the Newfangled Wizards. You are all set. Start up the NFSturn and if your license is properly installed it will say 'Licensed version' on the first screen
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 07, 2013, 08:35:07 PM
Ron all i see when i open turn is this screen shot
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 07, 2013, 10:34:19 PM
you have not selected the wizard, you are at the main screen. Click the Wizards menu then look for NFSturn in the list of wizards.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 08, 2013, 10:05:48 AM
This is the problem (http://[img])[/img]
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 08, 2013, 10:14:35 AM
Ron these are the same ones that i have been using but cant put them together like Facing and turning. One of the moderators helped me get License installed and helped me a hole lot but still cant get to work like i see in your first post
Thanks again for your help
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 08, 2013, 07:39:35 PM
You do not have the NFSturn wizards installed. You have only the free ones.

Go to the top entry in this thread and get the .zip file. Un pack it in the Mach3 folder, so that the NFSturn folder is under Turnaddons. The restart mach and open the wizard list and you should see NFSturn in the list.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 09, 2013, 09:13:44 AM
Ron we are getting there i now have something were are close am getting this screen?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 09, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
You do not have the wizard installed correctly. The Folder name must have the 008 removed. The NFSturn.set file should be in the folder NFSturn There are several other files in that folder.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 09, 2013, 01:26:49 PM
Can you see what is going on hear?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 09, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
screen shot 2#
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 09, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
3 shot
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on May 09, 2013, 02:36:10 PM
In the first folder the folder called NFSturn008 should have the 008 removed, make it just NFStrun

The second folder shuold not have the .zip file in it. Its part of the wizard called Turning

The contents of the third folder should be in the NFSturn folder that you renamed from NFSturn008
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: picks27t on May 10, 2013, 02:48:55 PM
Ron i have got it up and working sorry for all the miss i just didn't know that much about working with a File a friend got me going.

Thanks again for working with this OLD Man
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Steambuilder on August 18, 2013, 04:57:38 PM
Hi Ron,
Any more thoughts as to when or if an OD Radius operation might be coming to NFS Turn Wizard? Just my yearly pestering. Sure would be nice!

Doug
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: DICKEYBIRD on October 03, 2013, 04:12:33 PM
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this?  I need to make a couple V-belt pulleys (sheaves if you prefer), one with a 60 degree groove, the other 62 degree.  Does the NFS Turn Wizard package have something to handle that?  I'd rather not grind a form tool for each or hand code it and would like to use a DCMT insert (55 deg) and peck/nibble away at it similar to the OD Groove wizard's process.

 Also interested in an ID Parabola wizard (for model engine venturis).

Thanks in advance for any input.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on October 03, 2013, 04:30:10 PM
Why not use Dolphin, should be easy enough in that ;)
Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: DICKEYBIRD on October 03, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
Why not use Dolphin, should be easy enough in that ;)
Hood
You're very right Robin...it should be easy enough but it was a few months ago that I last worked with Dolphin.  Apparently everything I learned has turned to a mushy slime & has oozed out of my ears since then.  It's downright frustrating this getting old thing.

Besides, m'Dolphin mentor's done switched over to BoobCat or sumthin'. ::)





(Thanks for the prod...I should get some time this weekend to give it another try.  1st try was a no-go)

Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on October 03, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
LOL I reckon I will still remember how to use Dolphin, so if you need a helping hand just email me and I will try.
I wont be able to help much with your stone age  units as my brain doesnt work that way, well except when I am talking Fathoms and not a Fisherman any more, so thats not often ;D

Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: DICKEYBIRD on October 03, 2013, 10:12:52 PM
Thanks!  I'm sure I'll have questions and yes, I'm still using ye olde inch measurements.  However, I am proud to report that I have officially switched over to diameter mode! ;D
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on October 03, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
I think the wizard might work. It does allow tapers, and can start and end either at the large or mall diameter. it would take a few experiments to see. Ill try it when I  get a chance
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on October 03, 2013, 11:18:54 PM
Try Lazyturn as that provides for a 55 deg tool.

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Hood on October 04, 2013, 03:18:15 AM
Milton, I tried with Dolphin last night, took me about 5 mins to do my drawing and save as a DXF, open in Dolphin CAD, choose my shape, import to CAM and pick toolpath and do a rough and finish. It is quite easy once you get into the way of it :)

Hood
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: DICKEYBIRD on October 04, 2013, 09:34:06 AM
It is quite easy once you get into the way of it :)
Sure, when you're Hood.;)  I had the .dxf imported and was working on the paths but screwed up somehow and got frustrated.  It'll get there when I have time to work with it more than a few minutes at a time.

Turns out I actually have a day off from my real job today so I'm going to give it a shot later if I ever get past the mountain of honey-do's that's in front of me.

ps:  Ron, Thanks for your input and I apologize for the thread jack with the Dolphin talk.  I am a little surprised nobody's asked for a V-groove wiz though...I must be the only cheapskate that wants to make his own pulleys instead of just buying them.;)
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: BR549 on October 04, 2013, 08:04:18 PM
A sheave(pulley) Wizard would not be hard to do. Nor would a programable sub.

Just a thought, (;-) TP
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: DICKEYBIRD on October 04, 2013, 08:27:52 PM
A sheave(pulley) Wizard would not be hard to do.
Sure, when you're BR549.:D

Seriously though, a pulley Wizard would be very useful.  I needed to get back into Dolphin anyway but man, I'm so spoiled by ya'll's Wizards Dolphin makes my brain hurt.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on October 04, 2013, 08:56:04 PM
Quote
I'm so spoiled by ya'll's Wizards Dolphin makes my brain hurt.
No gain if you feel no pain. ???

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on October 04, 2013, 10:02:21 PM
What tool would you use for a wizard? Just a common cut-off tool? Use it in several passes of straight in plunge, then a final pass down the side, across the bottom and back out the other side? Or better to make both sides taper cuts into the center?

Maybe it could be a special case of a general slot operation?

I am just getting back to working on my lathe after a couple years, maybe that will get my but back in gear to do some more on the turn wizard.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: DICKEYBIRD on October 05, 2013, 09:13:31 AM
Good question Ron.  Your proposed path would work great for most folks' needs for regular sized sheaves.  I usually work with small belt grooves that require sharp pointed tools & a parting tool wouldn't work.

 The one I'm working with now is a Gates Poly-V which has a 62 deg angle on the big one & 60 deg on the small one.  So I'm using a DCMT (55 deg) insert.  The other one is a Gates Micro-V which has a 40 deg angle & I would use a 35 deg insert (I forget the insert spec).

The quandary I'm in now is that I'm trying to make a large (relative to my little 8" lathes) sheave in cast iron which requires mucho torque & very slow spindle speed.  Anybody wanna guess what I'm making?  A slow-speed, hi-torque reduction pulley system for my lathe!  'Ol Joe Heller is smiling in his grave 'cuz Catch 22 applies here for sure. ;D

When I finally got through the I'm-too-ignant-to-use-Dolphin barrier about 11:00 PM last night, the spindle stalled at the low speeds necessary to make the cuts, even with what I thought were shallow cuts & slow feeds.

So, I've got to either rig up a temporary spindle drive, (maybe using my big 1/2" drill but it's still too fast) reduce the D.O.C & feed even more & drink coffee while it runs for 30 or 45 minutes or just go to the manual lathe & hand-crank it with a 60 deg insert plunged straight in & not worry about the 62 deg thing.  Probably the latter. I've spent way too much time with the silly thing::)
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: TeaMan on March 02, 2014, 08:55:16 PM
This may be a stupid question, but I read through the posts on the wizards and saw posts discussing metric and US threading.  I only see US threading when I click on the thread table.  How do I see the metric thread table?  Do I have to be set for metric turning, or can you cut metric threads if Mach3 is set up for US units.

TeaMan
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on March 02, 2014, 10:15:45 PM
The included thread table is just a short sample. You are expected to edit the table- a simple text file- to contain the threads you use. Both metric and english should work. There is a help file with details.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Cncman2nv on March 10, 2014, 11:10:35 AM
Hi
Where Can I get the latest version of the Turn Wizard?

Thanks
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on March 10, 2014, 01:07:42 PM
The first reply to this topic holds the latest version s a .zip file

I have not made any changes in some time, but I nearly have my lathe running again after tearing it apart to add an Ethernet smoothstepper. I have a number of ideas for improvement that I hope to work on soon. I am also looking at converting this to a mach4 lua wizard, which is why I need the ESS.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Cncman2nv on March 10, 2014, 08:26:29 PM
Thank you

Let me know if I can help In any way
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: couchy on April 10, 2014, 06:26:50 AM
I have been having problems getting the NF threading wizard to work. I have tried most things mentioned in these threads with no luck.
In the end I edited the G76 macro and all I did was change the "test = false" to "test =true" and everything worked like a dream.
That's all I did.
Before that I tried changing the amount of time the index signal was on and all the other things suggested here in others posts.
When I figured it must have been in the macro was when the lathe did the same faults wether the index was set in the spindle configuration or not.
Hope this helps someone.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: TeacDance on April 12, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
when i try to run gcode sycle start button it say unlicensed demo mode, cannot run code. should i can run code but cannot save code?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: OzzieII on June 19, 2014, 03:44:42 PM
Hi Ron,
I downloaded the Turn Wizards latest version and played with it for a while.
Some things I noticed:
The feed Dro at the top won't accept an entry.
I can enter a feed under the tool tab but the wizard doesn't enter a feed in the G-code it creates.
The G94/G95 at the top of the screen does put the machine in that mode but the command doesn't show up in the code.
Ozzie
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Greg B on July 05, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
Hello all, I'm trying to find out if I can use a DXF file in this programme of a shape of a job I'm working on and get NFS to write the code for me. I have tried to find the latest copy of lazyturn for which I have found the manual for Version 4/17/2010 Rev:8 that I know can do this job. but I'm pulling my hair out and not getting anywhere.
Greg
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on July 05, 2014, 09:36:25 AM
The wizards do not use dxf files in any way. Lazycam is a totally separate package that does use dxf.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Greg B on July 05, 2014, 05:34:49 PM
Thank you for getting back to me about this. I will carry on trying to find the latest copy of lazyturn then. I have some odd shapes I want to turn in my home made lathe, and I have seen lazyturn used for this. but the support from Mach3 seems to have gone and I've only just started to look for the latest lazyturn copy. the copy I have for the manual is 4/17/2010 Rev:8 so if anyone can tell me where to find the programme or send me a copy I would be most grateful for all your help.
cheers Greg B
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on July 06, 2014, 04:51:11 AM
Quote
but the support from Mach3 seems to have gone


Not really Greg B, may seem that way since there have not been manny questions about it over the last few years.
Everything you need to know and more can be found in the manual.
I posted a link in a reply to your other post.

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Greg B on July 08, 2014, 03:38:58 AM
Thanks Rich I have been looking at the links you sent me.
Cheers Greg B
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: EddieO on August 31, 2014, 10:50:02 AM
I am working on setting up a new machine(still working on it), while trying to learn mach3. Running in demo mode on my home PC not hooked up to a machine. When I load the turn wizard, I get the following error with the wizard where the buttons at the bottom are cut off on the screen regardless of what I do to try to move it.

Here is a screenshot.

http://s617.photobucket.com/user/eddiejulie/media/screenshot2_zpsffa81736.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

The error replicates on the computer for the machine as well as not being able to adjust it....in fact it cuts it off more where I barely can see the buttons.

The turn wizards are a big reason I am considering mach3 to run the machines, but I can't figure this out.

I am sure its something easy I am missing thats simple....any help would be great.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on August 31, 2014, 11:18:29 AM
First, you have an older version- there is a V0.08 now. You should find it in the first reply to this topic.

Next be sure you have the Auto Screen Enlarge check box under Config->general Config. It looks like you have a wide screen monitor. Do you have at least 768 pixels in the Y direction? Try a full screen view after you set the Auto Screen enlarge
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: wreckermech on September 24, 2014, 10:54:02 PM
NFSturn.set has somehow lost all the colored boxes and the screen has just the text and text boxes? The strange thing is that this is happening on my desktop PC and my cnc PC. I have reloaded the zipped
files but I still have the boxes missing. What did I miss?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: hughes674 on October 11, 2014, 01:40:52 PM
Hi Everyone
I'm new to cnc and have just found the NFSTURN which looks great. I have downloaded version 008 which I think is the latest version. It says in the video link that it can be used in demo mode. I'm trying it out but as in the video at the bottom of the screen it is not showing the options for DO IT or ADD to FILE.

Is this because its in demo mode?

Where do I actually buy NFS TURN as again in the video it say it comes with mach3 addons but mach3 addons doesn't seem to mention NFS TURN?
   
Do I need a licensed version of Mach3 to run NFS Turn?

Really appreciate any help.

Cheers
Mick
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on October 11, 2014, 02:04:47 PM
The button missing at the bottom of the screen is a screen size problem. Use the normal windows method of enlarging the window, check that the enlarge window box is checked on the mach3 config->setting menu, then restart mach. The window should re-open big enough for the buttons. This has nothing to do with demo mode.

There is only one Mach Addons product, which gives you a license for the mill addons, NFSturn and a couple other wizards. The web page is not clear about all that is part of the Addons package. In demo mode NFSturn runs, but it will not save a file. Mach3 will run in demo mode, but there are  limits to the size of program and some turn features, I think threading, does not work.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: hughes674 on October 12, 2014, 07:32:50 AM
Hi Ron
Thanks for prompt reply. Sorted now and looking forward to giving it a try.

Cheers
Mick
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: hughes674 on October 13, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Hi Guys
Can anyone please tell me why when deleting the last operation from NFS TURN it not only deletes the last operation but deletes the entire file and I have to start over again. Is it a bug in my download or because I am running the trial version??? Would appreciate some please!

Thanks
Mick 
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on October 13, 2014, 03:58:54 PM
It has been a long time since I did that wizard, so I don't recall much now. I am sure I didn't let it go with an error like this, but I guess its possible. I will try to check it out later today.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: hughes674 on October 14, 2014, 04:30:03 AM
Cheers Ron really appreciate it.

Mick
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on October 16, 2014, 07:26:49 PM
Ok, I have looked at the wizard, and you are right, it is deleting the whole file. I know it did not do that when I wrote it several years ago. That code uses the special 'Teach' file that was built for the wizards, and I suspect something has happened to that function in one of the later mach3 releases. I doubt I can get Brian to look at that now. The code is doing the correct thing, or at least making the correct calls to mach3.

I am afraid the only answer I can give now is 'dont do that' I understand that is not a very satisfactory answer.

You can always edit the file with a text editor. The file is saved as C:\Mach3\Gcode\New Program.tap The file does have good comments in it to identify the various sections of code.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: wreckermech on October 17, 2014, 12:16:26 PM
I  too had problems when I loaded NFSTurn (10/5/14) but after a clean install of mach3 W/addons, an uncorrupted Machlic.dat, and Wizlic.dat  (most of my problem) I was finally up and running. Now, I have the wizard addon licence, the problem I had was when I clicked "run" in nfswizard , the G-code wouldn't post, nor the tool path. Instead I had to manually select the file, "New Program.tap". The file dose append but would not post untill selected.I hope this maybe helpful. I allso am  new to cnc but I have a wife who has a ton of programing experience and she can get to the hard coding and play. I am purely a Hobby CNC machinist and will  not illegally modify or sell any hacks, but maybe look at your file dir. for any errors. I had a few files that were duplicated moved and .dll links broken. In the end I can tell you everything does work, if installed "Files named properly I.E. capps where they belong,"properly it all works.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: khaled on October 25, 2014, 04:57:39 PM
Hi i just purchased nfs turn wizard if i want to use the turn part i do all steps and all things are fine i would like to know how can i rotate my part on the screen and view it in 3d shadow? also would like to know when i finish the cycle i need my tool to return home but further from the part so i can change tools i dont have any limit switch please help
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on October 26, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
You have the usual Mach3 toolpath options- click and drag the mouse to move, scroll bar zooms, and I dont remember the rest,  I never use them. But look in the mach3 docs.

As teh last step of your program add a toolchange operation. That has settings for the safe location. If you dont have limit switches then the locations will be only as accurate as you set them when Mach started up.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: khaled on October 26, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
Thankx Ron

im a newbee to this i am using turn wizard both the mouse left and right  right moves the part up and side and the left key zooms and the scroll also zooms how can i change the settings so the mouse when i click it it will rotate or angle my part? when i use the mill wizard it works fine the left click rotates and right up and down scroll zooms but turn wizard does not

how would i do the tool change in the turn wizard im used to the mill sorry and the safe location?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on October 26, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
The turn wizard simply uses the mach3 lathe toolpath window, has no control over the toolpath.

Tool change is one of the operation buttons, along the center of the screen near the left side.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: khaled on October 26, 2014, 03:23:25 PM
I have watched youtube videos about nfs turn wizard where they are able to rotate the part on the screen so could it be some settings?

on my screen all i see in the centre to the left is tool number  on the right hand side is option change tool but nothing happens when i click the button does not turn green
here is some screenshot
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: hughes674 on November 01, 2014, 10:04:41 PM
Hi Ron
Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Been away on holiday. Thanks for looking into it and cheers for pointing me in the right direction.

Mick
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on January 11, 2015, 03:02:32 PM
Hi,
very new at lathe work.  I am almost done converting my Grizzly G0602 to CNC   I have been playing around a bit with Mach 3 and the Mach 3 Turn Wizards cutting air (still need to complete the QCTP mount) and I have a question about tool changes.
I built a file that has these operations...

new turn file created
new tool selected
facing
new tool selected
turning
new tool selected
drill
file ended

I copy pasted the gcode below snipping some of the drill op code to make it shorter.
My question is why doesn't the machine stop to change the tool?  There seems to be an M6 in the code but it just goes to the next op w/o stopping.
with my Tormach mill it will stop and ask for a tool change then I just click on cycle start and it will proceed to the next tool change.
What am I missing?
Thanks,
Gerry

(***New Turn File Started***)
(by  Licensed NFS Turn V.06)
(1/11/2015 2:14:08 PM)
(user supplied init code)
G54
(***New Tool Selected***)
( Unnamed tool)
G00 Z 1.5
G00 x 1
M6 T1
M3 S 2400
G01 F 20
(***Facing***)
(Xstart= 0 Xend= 1 )
(Zstart= 0.1 Zend= -0.03 Zcut= 0.03125)
(will make 5cuts of 0.026)
G00 Z 0.1
G00 X 0
(Start Pass 1)
G01 X 1
G00 Z 0.11
G00 X 0
G00 Z 0.1
G00 Z 0.074
(Start Pass 2)
G01 X 1
G00 Z 0.084
G00 X 0
G00 Z 0.074
G00 Z 0.048
(Start Pass 3)
G01 X 1
G00 Z 0.058
G00 X 0
G00 Z 0.048
G00 Z 0.022
(Start Pass 4)
G01 X 1
G00 Z 0.032
G00 X 0
G00 Z 0.022
G00 Z -0.004
(Start Pass 5)
G01 X 1
G00 Z 0.006
G00 X 0
G00 Z -0.004
G00 Z -0.03
(Last pass)
G01 Z -0.03
G01 X 1
G00 Z -0.02
G00 Z 0.1
G00 X 1
(***New Tool Selected***)
( Unnamed tool)
G00 Z 1.5
G00 x 1
M6 T2
M3 S 2400
G01 F 20
(***Turning***)
(Xstart= 0.47 Xend= 0.31 Xcut= 0.04)
(Zstart= 0 Zend= -6)
(will make 2 cuts of 0.04)
G00 X 0.43
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 1)
G01 X 0.43
G01 Z -6
G00 X 0.53
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 2)
G01 X 0.39
G01 Z -6
G00 X 0.49
G00 Z 0
(Last pass)
G01 X 0.31
G01 Z -6
G00 X 0.45
G00 X 0.47 Z 0
(***New Tool Selected***)
( Unnamed tool)
G00 Z 1.5
G00 x 1
M6 T3
M3 S 2400
G01 F 20
(***Drill***)
(Zsafe= 1 Zstart=0 Zend=-6)
(Peck-retract cycle)
(Peck= 0.25Retract= 0.25 )
sniped to make text shorter for post
(***File Ended***)
(1/11/2015 2:14:41 PM)
M5
M9
(user supplied end code)
M30
(Wizard Exit)



Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on January 11, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
Do you have any tools defined in the tool table?
How will your tools be changed? Manualy?

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on January 11, 2015, 07:28:36 PM
First look at the setting in the general config- do you have it set for automatic tool change? Then look at the M6 macros in your macro folder under your profile name. Also it looks like you entered on 1 in the tool number- for turn operations the tool number must be in the form of 0101 which is the tool number and the offset number to use. When you enter the number in the DRO it will only show as 101, VB likes to wipe off the leading zero.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on January 12, 2015, 06:14:34 AM
Do you have any tools defined in the tool table?
How will your tools be changed? Manualy?

RICH

No, not yet
Yes, manualy

First look at the setting in the general config- do you have it set for automatic tool change? Then look at the M6 macros in your macro folder under your profile name. Also it looks like you entered on 1 in the tool number- for turn operations the tool number must be in the form of 0101 which is the tool number and the offset number to use. When you enter the number in the DRO it will only show as 101, VB likes to wipe off the leading zero.

I will try that tonite after work.
Thank you Rich and Ron for the quick replies.
Gerry
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on January 13, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
Hi Ron,
The tool change options in general config was set at "ignore tool change".  I changed it to the stop spindle wait for cycle restart and it works great now.
Thank you.
Gerry
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on February 16, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
A couple of questions.
I downloaded and installed the file (NFSturn008.zip) at the beginning of this thread but when I open the NFS turn wizard it shows it as being "licensed NFS Turn V 0.6".
Do I have v 08 or 06?

Also I have been trying to understand the various wizards and doing so I keep having a problem with the NFS wizard doing unexpected things and the standard turn wizard doing what I expect when doing the same type of operation.  For example, I can do a turning op in the standard wizard with no problem but when trying to do the same type of op in NFSTurn the lathe keeps hitting either the plus X limit switch or the -Z limit switch on initial move.  I believe I am entering the same perimeters in the boxes but to be honest I could be a little confused on what I'm supposed to put in them... X End, X start, etc.  I seem to be doing it right in the standard wizard but must be getting it wrong in NFSturn.

Is there any documentation or manual for NFSTurn?  I found Ron's video on intro to NFSTurn but I am wondering if there is something out there that steps you through each operation and what each data box is for.

Sorry, I am very new at lathe work and maybe if I was more experienced the screens and how and what each entry means would be more self explanatory.

Thanks,
Gerry

Here is the Gcode from the standard wizard
G18 G40 G49 G90 G94 G80
M3
G0 X1.331 Z0.1
F10
G0 X1.091
G1 Z-0.995
G0 X1.291 Z-0.9
G0 Z0.1
G0 X1.051
G1 Z-0.995
G0 X1.251 Z-0.9
G0 Z0.1
G0 X1.011
G1 Z-0.995
G0 X1.211 Z-0.9
G0 Z0.1
G0 X0.971
G1 Z-0.995
G0 X1.171 Z-0.9
G0 Z0.1
G0 X0.931
G1 Z-0.995
G0 X1.131 Z-0.9
G0 Z0.1
G0 X0.891
G1 Z-0.995
G0 X1.091 Z-0.9
G0 Z0.1
G0 X0.891
G0 Z0.1
G1 Z-0.995
G1 X1.331
G0 Z0.1
F5
G0 X0.881
G1 Z-1
G1 X1.331
G0 Z0.1
M5
M30


And here is Gcode from NFS
(***New Turn File Started***)
(by  Licensed NFS Turn V.06)
(2/16/2015 9:24:26 AM)
(user supplied init code)
G54
(***New Tool Selected***)
( Unnamed tool)
G00 Z 1.5
G00 x 1
M6 T101
M3 S 2400
G01 F 10
(***Turning***)
(Xstart= 1.131 Xend= 0.881 Xcut= 0.015)
(Zstart= 0 Zend= -1)
(will make 15 cuts of 0.015)
G00 X 1.116
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 1)
G01 X 1.116
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.216
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 2)
G01 X 1.101
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.201
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 3)
G01 X 1.086
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.186
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 4)
G01 X 1.071
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.171
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 5)
G01 X 1.056
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.156
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 6)
G01 X 1.041
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.141
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 7)
G01 X 1.026
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.126
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 8)
G01 X 1.011
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.111
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 9)
G01 X 0.996
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.096
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 10)
G01 X 0.981
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.081
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 11)
G01 X 0.966
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.066
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 12)
G01 X 0.951
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.051
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 13)
G01 X 0.936
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.036
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 14)
G01 X 0.921
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.021
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 15)
G01 X 0.906
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.006
G00 Z 0
(Last pass)
G01 X 0.881
G01 Z -1
G00 X 0.991
G00 X 1.131 Z 0
(***File Ended***)
(2/16/2015 9:24:55 AM)
M5
M9
(user supplied end code)
M30
(Wizard Exit)
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on February 16, 2015, 11:31:58 AM
Just maybe to help clarify my previous post...
I am entering Z start at 0 and X start at the outer dia. of my part (in this case +1.131) and Z end at -1 and X end at +.881 (removing .25" material) in both wizards
You can see in the tool path windows how each wizard shows different starting points too

Standard wizard
(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/Capture%20Mach3%20Turn%20Wizard_zpshpijxmlu.jpg)

And the NFSTurn wizard
(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/Capture%20NFS_zpsmtwvjgqk.jpg)

Thanks,
Gerry
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on February 16, 2015, 01:28:18 PM
The NfsTurn wizard uses the terms Start and End to indicate the first and last cut to make. So entering the Xstart value will determine the first cut made and Xend will be the finish size. I first had Xstart to be the stock size, but that confused people so I made it to be the first cut. I dont know what the other wizard does.

It looks like the other wizard stops Z a cut distance away form the  final size, then makes a final pass. There are lots of different strategies to use in making a wizard, I guess we each pick one and do it that way.

The 008.zip file is the latest, I guess I forgot to update the version number in the code.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on February 16, 2015, 01:41:54 PM
thanks for the quick reply Ron.
Why do you think in the NFS wizard the Z start is ~1.5 inches to the negative with Z start set at 0 and in the other wizard the Z starts at 0 with the Z start set to 0?
Can you see that in the tool path window?  Every time I go to run the program it retreats in Z- and hits the limit switch.  Well into my part, not at the face?
Thanks,
Gerry
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on February 16, 2015, 02:54:45 PM
Because you set Safe Z to 1.5 on the tool select screen. Its on the lower right side of the tool select screen.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on February 16, 2015, 03:42:26 PM
Because you set Safe Z to 1.5 on the tool select screen. Its on the lower right side of the tool select screen.

Thanks again Ron for your input and quick replies.
Yes, it is set to +1.5 but isn't that where the lathe travels for a tool change?  That part works fine, it is when I hit cycle start after tool change that it goes deep into my part in either X or Z and hits a limit switch.

I'm going to try and make a movie of what I'm doing and the results tomorrow.  I'll post it on YouTube.  Hopefully that can shed some light on what I'm doing wrong.  I know it is just something simple that I am missing.
Thanks again,
Gerry
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on February 16, 2015, 05:53:23 PM
Read the comments in the gcode- they detail all the inputs you made. Here is the tool change part:
Code: [Select]
(***New Tool Selected***)
( Unnamed tool)
G00 Z 1.5
G00 x 1
M6 T101
M3 S 2400
G01 F 10
Note it moves first to Z 1.5, should be safe to move z first, then it moves to x1,

Next it starts the turning operation:
Code: [Select]
(***Turning***)
(Xstart= 1.131 Xend= 0.881 Xcut= 0.015)
(Zstart= 0 Zend= -1)
(will make 15 cuts of 0.015)

I see here I was wrong about the Xstart in my earlier  post. You specified an Xstart of 1.131.  in the code its

Code: [Select]
G00 X 1.116
G00 Z 0
(Start Pass 1)
G01 X 1.116
G01 Z -1
G00 X 1.216
G00 Z 0

The move is to X 1.116, which is .015 less than Xstart. The cut moves to Z-1, backs off the cut by 0..1, X 1.216, then returns to Z0 for the next pass. All this code looks fine, no strange moves outside the cut range specified. The last pass is:

Code: [Select]
(Last pass)
G01 X 0.881
G01 Z -1
G00 X 0.991
G00 X 1.131 Z 0
(***File Ended***)

So it looks to me like this is well behaved code doing exactly what you entered.

Ah, I just re-read your post

How are you setting your DROs? did you take a cut, measure the actual size and enter that to the X dro? It sounds like the machine is not referenced to the part.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on February 16, 2015, 06:44:45 PM
Thanks for putting up with me Ron, much appreciated.  
I set the DRO's by touching to a pc. of paper in X, I measure the part and add twice the thickness of the paper and enter that number into the X axis DRO.  In Z I face the part and enter 0 in the Z axis DRO.  I was doing a light cut in X and measuring the result and entering that in the DRO, but I stopped using that method because I am doing this over and over to learn and was using up material.

I use the same method in both the NFS wizard and the standard turn wizard,  The standard wizard works and NFS one doesn't  I think I must be doing something wrong in the NFS wizard.

I'll play with it more and see where I'm messing up.
Thanks,
Gerry
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on February 16, 2015, 07:27:19 PM
Quote
Why do you think in the NFS wizard the Z start is ~1.5 inches to the negative with Z start set at 0 and in the other wizard the Z starts at 0 with the Z start set to 0?
Can you see that in the tool path window?  Every time I go to run the program it retreats in Z- and hits the limit switch.  Well into my part, not at the face?

Wait a minute- which way do you have Z moving? A positive Z move is toward the tailstock. Moves into the work are in Z negative direction. That is the established G code convention. Note the wizards safe Z move is to Z 1.5 (positive). That is toward the tailstock, away from the work.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: BertL on February 26, 2015, 04:14:20 PM
Hi Ron,

I've been using Mach3 Mill for years and just downloaded NFS Turn Wizard .08.  Watched the tutor video and getting familiar with the program.  I don't seem to get Gcode generated for peck-pause or peck-retract Drill.  It will only generate for Continous.  What am I missing?  Attached is sample file.

(***New Turn File Started***)
(by Demo NFS Turn V.06)
(2/26/2015 3:31:17 PM)
(user supplied init code)
G18 G54 G40 G49 G90 G94 G80


(***New Tool Selected***)
( Unnamed tool)
G00 Z 1.5
G00 x 1
M6 T101
M3 S 800
G01 F 1
(***Drill***)
(Zsafe= 1 Zstart=0 Zend=-0.375)
(Peck-retract cycle)
(Peck= 0.02Retract= 0.1 )
G00 Z 1
G00 X 0
G00 Z 0
G01 Z -0.375
G00 Z 1
(***File Ended***)
(2/26/2015 3:44:25 PM)
M5
M9
(user supplied end code)
M05
M30
(Wizard Exit)

thanks for input,
Bert
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on February 26, 2015, 09:07:05 PM
You are not missing anything, I  was. A misplaced ) in the code.

I have posted an update to the first topic in this section
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Gerry Sweetland on February 27, 2015, 08:43:24 AM
Hi Ron,

I've been using Mach3 Mill for years and just downloaded NFS Turn Wizard .08.  Watched the tutor video and getting familiar with the program.  I don't seem to get Gcode generated for peck-pause or peck-retract Drill.  It will only generate for Continous.  What am I missing?  Attached is sample file.

thanks for input,
Bert


I was seeing this too, thought it was just my inexperience.
Thanks Ron,
Gerry
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: dennisvda on February 27, 2015, 02:49:36 PM
Hi Ron,

We purchased a mach3 licence and already used it for milling.
But now we also want to use it for turning. We downloaded the NFS turn wizard, but when we want tos start it gives the error: unlicensed demo.
If il check with help, it is not a demo mode, but our license.
are we doing something wrong?

Kindest regards
Dennis
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on February 27, 2015, 04:37:17 PM
There is a separate license for the Wizards for $50. That is for all the NFS wizards.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Axle on March 31, 2015, 10:58:10 PM
Hi everyone another NewBee trying to set up lathe all works fine except in threads using NSF thread wizard it appears the program gets confused and restarts in another place it will cut any where from 3 to 10 passes looking fine and then Dros values change, x will go positive .500/1.0 and z goes where ever it wants and then starts another thread cycle cutting air, first started with lap top and win. 7 used updated mach version then desk top pc xp and version .037 then installed updated version today with same results  please any help would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks   Axle.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on April 01, 2015, 08:33:43 AM
I dont think the program generated by the wizard can get confused- there is only one line with a few parameters that control the threading. But mach3 has problems with threading and will loose place that ruins threads.

I cannot offer any good advice on fixing thread problems. Browse around this forum and you should find some help. I admit my own lathe is only about 80% good on making threads. It will go nuts for no apparent reason. I cant wait to get Mach4 threading up.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: RICH on April 01, 2015, 09:57:01 AM
Axle,
I would suggest that you have a read of Threading On The Lathe write up which is in Members Doc's.

Make sure you are using at least version .037 . Major problem with threading is a user taxing his lathes ability.

RICH
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: ahroest on July 20, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
Is there a simple wizard for cutting a V belt groove?
i have nor found it.
Kind regards,
Andre
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on July 20, 2015, 03:22:38 PM
Not that I am aware of. it would be a nice addition to the NfsTurn set, maybe when I get to doing the mach4 version I will try to do it.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: JohnHaine on December 18, 2015, 04:57:24 PM
I'm sure this has been asked and answered already, but just to check, to get a license you basically buy a license to the Mill Wizard here: http://www.machsupport.com/software/downloads-updates/#tabs-2

Is that right please?

Thanks, John.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 18, 2015, 07:01:13 PM
No, NFsTurn is a Mach3 addon. The addons for Mach3 include milling and turn wizards and a few other useful operations.

 Mill Wizard is a standalone program that generates milling Gcode that can work with any Gcode system, Mach3, Mach4 or others.
Title: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: JohnHaine on December 19, 2015, 03:52:25 AM
Thanks Ron.  So could you perhaps guide me to where one can find the licensing page to buy a license for nfs turn please?


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Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: JohnHaine on December 21, 2015, 05:13:48 AM
Anyone, please?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on December 21, 2015, 05:35:59 AM
Anyone, please?


The Mach3 Addons license enables several different components: CopyCat, Multi Pass, PowerFeed XY, the Mach3 Addons for Mill, and the NFSTurn wizards, which are a solution for using Mach3’s wizard capability to simplify the creation of G-Code files.   http://www.machsupport.com/software/mach3-addons-for-mill/ (http://www.machsupport.com/software/mach3-addons-for-mill/)

You can use the contact form to confirm that you will be purchasing the correct license for the product you require.   http://www.machsupport.com/contact-us/ (http://www.machsupport.com/contact-us/)

Tweakie.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: JohnHaine on December 21, 2015, 06:27:02 AM
Many thanks Tweakie.  Just to be sure, it looks like the add-ons come with R3.043.066 as a package, then they get unlocked by the license? 

Thanks, John.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on December 21, 2015, 08:37:28 AM
The license will unlock any version of Mach3. When you buy the license you get only the license key, you must also download and install Mach3.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: roadstercycle on March 13, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Hi Ron,  Just installed 009 on the latest version of Mach3 and when I open it in wizards I just get a blank screen.  I do have both a Mach3 license and NFS add-on license for mill.  I'm sure I must of did something wrong but no idea    Unzipped it and put the whole folder in Mach3turn add ons folder.  It comes up in wizards like I said but no go.

Thank you,

Jack
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on March 13, 2016, 09:03:06 PM
That means it cannot find the screen set. It should be in the NfsTurn folder under turnaddons called NfsTurn.set.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: roadstercycle on March 13, 2016, 09:54:32 PM
OK, that makes sense. I know it is there so I'll move it to screen sets.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: EPaczkowski on March 13, 2016, 11:04:08 PM
Ron new user just received my machine and down loaded NFS Turn

I have an issue with the spindle direction in both wizards, the rotation stays CW. In turn, I have to edit the program with M4. In NFS I built the tool and checked front post and CCW. When I post it it remains M3. In both programs after editing, if i stop it and restart it the program defaults to M3. Any ideas on what switch I need to change.
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: roadstercycle on March 13, 2016, 11:39:19 PM
Ron,  I checked the folder and it's in there.  nfsturn.set.   I originally put the whole folder in mach3 turn addons like it said in this forum page one.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: asuratman on November 09, 2018, 08:47:34 PM
Hello Ron,
How can I download mach3 NFS Turn Wizards and get the license ? Is there still any support for this add on ?
Title: Re: NFS Turn Wizard
Post by: Ron Ginger on November 09, 2018, 09:53:59 PM
The license is the same as the addons. As long as you have that license any of the Mach addons will run.

It is still supported, however no bugs have been reported in a long time, and no updated kit has been released. I think it is included in the mach3 download.