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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: Mogal on November 09, 2010, 10:32:52 AM
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Hi guys, I'm kinda stumped here and need some help.
I have had my machine just over a month now, and still learning things(Its a home made unit)
I've made about a dozen things now, everything turned out as expected except for two items.
For whatever reason, the machine 'just stops' and I can not get the machine to restart.
The computer has not crashed, just that Mach3 stops executing the code. No error, and no reason.
Also if I try to jog the machine after its stopped, the DRO's change, but the machine still does not move loosing my references.
The only way to get control of the machine back, is to shut down Mach3 and restart it.
After doing that I run the code again(doing a ghost pass) and the entire code runs correctly.
I reset my axis and proceed to cut the new piece, and it cuts completely without error.
With no error code, and no known reason why it does this has me stumped. any thoughts?
My system:
P4C800E-Dlx with 2.4Ghz and 2gig mem.
Keling C10 breakout board and 425oz steppers
Windows 7 32bit, all (known) extras shut off (power save/screan saver ect...)
Mach3 for control and Vectric software to generate the GCode
Thanks for any input.
Chris
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Sounds like you may have something taking over control of the port, check you have no printers installed.
Hood
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Okay, thanks Hood. I'll check tonight after work.
Its a fresh install of Win7, and never had a printer installed, but there might be one by default.
I'll snoop around a little more for port hicups.
Chris
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I have never used W7 but I dont think there would be a printer installed as default, so not likely the issue.
When it stops do you see the Reset flashing?
Are there any messages in the ticker window at the bottom of the screen?
Hood
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Sounds like maybe your drives are overheating and shutting down?
Art has said that if the DRO's show movement, then steps are being sent out. So if it's not moving when the DRO's change, it's most likely in your electronics.
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There is no flashing reset, there is no error codes. No indication of something wrong.
Gerry, I was (somewhat) thinking the same, but the system is cool to the touch. The cooling fan
doesn't kick in, as the system isn't warm enough.(its also pretty cool in the basement ;o))
Both times the system failed, it had only been running a couple of mins(maybe 20)
Even then, I would ghost pass the GCode imediately after, and then run again cutting without issue.
The electronics are warm, they've never really been hot(cooling fan would kick in periodically)
Its a pretty sparatic issue... only happening twice so far.
Thanks for the inputs... anything else I may try?
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It seems strange that Mach just stops, if it was just the machine that stopped then I would say electrical but as its Mach halting then I think it must be something in Mach. Would expect an error message of some sort though.
Do you have any Brains or Plugins or a macropump running?
Hood
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I'm so new this this, I have not dared to try any add-ons yet.
System is as installed. No brains(installed in the software or operater ;o))
No plugins or macropumps.
I'm not even sure what enhancements these provide yet.
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Can you attach your xml, might find something in there that is the problem.
Hood
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Here is the file, thanks for helping Hood!
Chris
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Dont see anything wrong with the xml. I see you have SoftLimits enabled, is there a chance that it is them that stop motion?
Hood
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No, I'm 99.99% sure its not the soft limits.
Its in the middle of the table, and when it happens the machine comes to a sudden stop...
doesn't gradually slow to a stop, also... no warnings...
I'll play with my hardware a little more, and see if I can come up with something.
Thanks Hood, muchly appreciated!
Chris
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So Mach definitely stops as well as the machine stopping but you get no messages, is that correct?
If you then press start again Mach, as well as the machine, will do nothing?
Hood
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So Mach definitely stops as well as the machine stopping but you get no messages, is that correct?
If you then press start again Mach, as well as the machine, will do nothing?
Hood
Correct, when the machine has stopping, pressing start again will do nothing.
I can press the buttons to jog the machine, but the machine does not move, although the
DRO does increase/decrease accordingly. I can flip pages, I can scroll through the code.
but no matter what I do, the machine will not move the code will not restart.
I have to shut down Mach3, reload it, load the code, and then it continues without error.
I know, weird huh? Could it be the hardware? causing this?
I did do through the computer last night, there was a default printer, Microsoft's XPS doc writer(whatever that does)
I also went through Black Viper website and selected the 'Safe' configuration, so a few more services where disabled.
([url]http://www.blackviper.com/Windows_7/servicecfg.htm[/url
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My machine is down at the moment, but if this ever happens again, I'll try to get some video of whats happening.
Hope to have it running again this weekend. (busted collet)
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check your control power leads to your drivers.( both + - ) it might be your 5 volt supply is cutting out or breaking down.
bill
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Had similar problem, turnout to be an antivirus running on a background. Turned if off and no issues since.
Glad.
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Had similar problem, turnout to be an antivirus running on a background. Turned if off and no issues since.
Glad.
Hi, I have no AV on this computer... but MS's malicious software removal tool is/was running.
I now have is disabled thanks to Black Vipers website. Hope that deals with it!
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Hi Hood, anything with the XML file?
Asking, because after about 3 weeks of downtime, my first run, the machine did it again.
came to a clunking hult, and could not be restarted. I lost all control of the machine.
DRO would not move while trying to jog the machine.
I could flip between screens, I could press the start/stop buttons.
the timer would stop/reset, but the machine just would not move.
I took a picture of the screen, but didn't have time to upload it before work.
(will do it after work) oh, I took a small video too... but its pretty big, I have
to make it smaller and host it somewhere...
So after the machine came to a halt, I restarted Mach3, reran the code,
(From the begining with a new board) and it completed without issue.
So I don't think it can be the code.
Getting frustrated, as there seems to be no rhime or reason for this happening.
Thanks
Chris
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Sorry had a lightning strike on my router and have just taken delivery of the new one due to the bad snow conditions.
Your xml looked fine, are you still having problems?
Hood
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Hi,
I am having the same issue, I am able to repeatably have 3 different programs stop on lines 495-497, I can take the programs and remove some lines and start them again and they will run through that line until they again hit lines 495-497. Any ideas?
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You are using the demo version, it is limited to 500 lines.
If you have a licence then it is either in the wrong location or it is corupt.
Hood