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General CNC Chat => Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) => Topic started by: Stagecraft on January 28, 2010, 07:17:04 PM
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Hello,
This is my first post here. I have been reading the Mach and other cnc forums for several years now.
I have purchased an older used big router that I want to rebuild and update to be able to work with newer software like Aspire. The machine is in good condition and runs fine but is very limited to working with its original software. The plan is to use Mach for the control software and Galil components to replace the control hardware.
The machine has a lot of components (3 router spindles, lots of drill spindles, a saw and several locating pop ups). I plan on trying to just get one spindle working and getting control of the three axis first so the machine can be used. With more time it would be nice to get the other features working.
I look forward to meeting and talking with people here about this project. There is a great amount of knowledge and experience represented on this forum. I will have a lot of questions and will be looking for suggestions on the best way to make this work.
My work experience that should help with this project includes
aircraft electrician/mechanic for more than 15 years
information technology 9 years
technical hardware development and implementation 4 years
designing and cutting components on a cnc machine 3 years
Thanks in advance for all the help
Matt
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Busellato?
Supposedly, the next version of mach3 (ver4) will make it easier to use the multiple spindles.
Big project, good luck.
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Yes it's a 96 Busellato Supermaster 150
I will look forward to the new version, any idea on time when it might be released?
Thanks
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Hello,
This is my first post here. I have been reading the Mach and other cnc forums for several years now.
I have purchased an older used big router that I want to rebuild and update to be able to work with newer software like Aspire. The machine is in good condition and runs fine but is very limited to working with its original software. The plan is to use Mach for the control software and Galil components to replace the control hardware.
The machine has a lot of components (3 router spindles, lots of drill spindles, a saw and several locating pop ups). I plan on trying to just get one spindle working and getting control of the three axis first so the machine can be used. With more time it would be nice to get the other features working.
I look forward to meeting and talking with people here about this project. There is a great amount of knowledge and experience represented on this forum. I will have a lot of questions and will be looking for suggestions on the best way to make this work.
My work experience that should help with this project includes
aircraft electrician/mechanic for more than 15 years
information technology 9 years
technical hardware development and implementation 4 years
designing and cutting components on a cnc machine 3 years
Thanks in advance for all the help
Matt
I think we'll be coming to you :)
Would mach3 be able to treat multiple spindles as some sort ot tool changer arrangement?
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I think you could handle the multiple spindles with tool offsets. You might have to write a macro to turn on the proper one. Or you could use a PLC for that part.
I wouldn't say you are crazy...just ambitious. ;D
Monty
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Or switch power from one to the other using simple relay logic. It's primitive but very easy to impliment.
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The thought of using a tool offset sounds good.
I'm thinking of trying to make a macro that would -
make sure all spindles are raised up and turned off
set the tool offset for the proper spindle
energize the relay to pneumatically lower the proper spindle
zero the z on a touch off plate
move to a safe position
turn on the spindle
Once the first macro is made it should be easier to make additional macros for the other spindles. This will be my first time writing a macro for mach so it should be a good challenge.
Is it possible to link a macro to a tool number?
Matt
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Matt,
I would use the M6start and M6End macros to accomplish what you want to do. You will need some logic in the macro to look at the selected tool and decide what spindle goes with it. Then turn on the appropriate output to your relays. Prepare yourself for confusion. I would check out the mach customization docs. Also have a look at the Wiki and the mach2 manual. The info you need is spread out all over the place.
You might also find my turret macro helpful to get an idea how things work:
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,12990.0.html
Brett has been reorganizing all the inputs and cleaning up the OEM button and DRO naming conventions for Mach4. Lets just say that it is rather organic in its present state.
The offsets to the spindle in use will be in the tool table.
So when you call for T0110
You are asking for T01 (spindle #1) and offset 10 (can be 10,11,12 etc) so you would have offsets for various tools in spindle #1
T2 can be spindle 2 etc.
Monty
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Thanks, Monty
I have to catch a flight later today so I have saved the manual, docs and your macro's to read on the plane.
Should have some questions soon.
Matt
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Matt,
I'll try to help if I can. I felt a lot like a blind man in a dark room trying to work my way through some of this. I've bumped into enough stuff to have some idea of how things work, but I'm no expert by any means. My shins hurt though. ;D
Monty
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Matt,
Not sure if I sent you off down the rabbit hole, but mill does not handle tool offsets the same way as Turn. Might still work out OK, but be a bit more involved than I thought at first. You might have to use some type of coordinate offset scheme to get it to work right.
Sorry, I had lathe on the brain.
Monty
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The machine is finally here :).
I have been out of town for a while and had to delay getting the machine moved. Moving the machine has been a much bigger and expensive job than what I had planed on. The weight of just the machine was 13,000 lbs.
Next step is to have the electrician upgrade the building service and put in a dedicated 100 amp 3 phase circuit for the main transformer of the machine. Need to have 380v into the main cabinet.
Taking time now to try and understand how the machine is wired up and functions. Trying to make flow charts of how things work and what wires will need to be interfaced to the new controller. I have the wiring diagrams and the cabinet is laid out cleanly with just about all the wires and components labeled. It looks like a lot of the safety and emergency features are handled mechanically (relays) instead of logically (the control box).
The machine has large dc servo motors and separate servo amps that I should be able to keep and use. Plus there are additional encoders on each axis.
All of the spindles are powered from one inverter. Relays are used to select which spindle gets the power. (I think this is what BluePinnacle was suggesting)
So far no big surprises but this looks like this is going to be a big project. Hope to have power next week.
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WOW...what a BEAST !
Nice looking machine.
Of all the routers I've seen, which isn't very many, this is the first one I've seen set up this way.
A bridge with the X, Y and the Z mounted to bottom of it.
Cool.
Conserves space well too.
What does one typically call this type of configuration of the axis' ? Is there a common name for it ?
Thanks,
Russ
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Is there a common name for it ?
Yes, it's called OLD. :) Busellato stopped making them that way about 10 years ago I think. I actually saw one in operation before we bought our first machine about 12 years ago. I've seen a lot of big router and point to point machines, and these are the only ones I've seen with this configuration.
The one I saw was used for making knock down furniture (like IKEA) and actually inserted some of the hardware after drilling the holes for it.
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its the same layout as some of the very old biesse too.
if its anything like biesse theres a lot of i/o controlled by serial communication including the inverter.
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im using a galil controller via mach whicg gives very smooth movement on the servos. well worth the money and its fully closed loop.
so many i/o to handle though! has it got an atc on it?
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This is an older machine (1996) but from what I can tell so far the x axis servo has a manufacture date of 2008 and two of the router spindles and the drill head spindle have a manufacture date of late 2007. There is a service log showing doing normal service as well as changing various parts including having the drill spindle head rebuilt. It looks like this machine has been kept in good running order before the company shut down.
There is no tool changer just the three main routers, a saw and 28 drill spindles driven from one spindle motor.
The electricians upgraded the service and put in the 100 amp circuit for the machine last week. It took a little trial and error to get the taps on the transformer coils wired properly. The transformer was originally set to have a 480 delta input and had to be converted to work off a 208 Y input. The main cabinet needs 380v to work.
I have been trying to figure out the original control software to better understand what needs to be done for the conversion. I can jog the head on all axes but not sure how to turn on the spindles. With the controller in manual mode it shows that there are 64 inputs and 110 outputs configured. The I/O’s are labeled in abbreviated Italian so not sure how much I will be able to figure out. I’m not too comfortable just turning on outputs to see what happens.
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IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE FIXED CYCLES SCREEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK OUT HOW TO GET ROUTERS TO SPIN
ON A BIESSE IT PULLS UP FIXED CYCLE PON BY USING L=PON
I READ ALL FIXED CYCLES TO CONFIRM LOGIC HANDLING ETC ON MINE.
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Awesome machine! what a catch. I'd be interested to know how the spindles are physically arranged. Would you provide pictures of these? I've never seen a big multi-spindle arrangement like this up close but I'd love to given the opportunity. :)
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Battwell,
I not finding a fixed cycle screen but thanks for the suggestion. I did find a screen to manually change the analog voltage to each axis(1 -6), I think I will try to manually turn on the appropriate relays by jumping voltage to each one and then try to send a low analog voltage from the manual screen to see if that will get a spindle to turn on.
BluePinnacle,
Here are some pictures of the head. There's a lot more there than what I need. I just want to get one or two spindles working first and than in time try to get more things working.
Matt
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re the spindles
1. a lot of the inverters are signaled by rs485 on italian machines. check the inverter inputs for analogue are connected. you may need to reprogram the inverter to accept analogue instead of rs 485 if thats the case. what inverter is it? is it a single inverter machine, relay switched to each router motor etc? (as biesse is)
if its rs communication you will have to find the right code to get existing controller to switch it on.
mine requires vacuum pump to be running , sufficient air pressure etc before it will do anything
can you get a start light on it? ie drives switched on from plc ready to run.
it may have a weird button combination like biesse. "start, stop, reset" to switch on vavuum pump (i had to get a biesse tech to tell me that when i first got mine as i couldnt switch it on) also all axis must be global reset ie. homed before anything else will work. on a biesse this is done on the manual screen.
do you have a user manual or wiring diagram for the machine? if not try to buy or steal one. as lots will take ages to work out without one.
mine uses rs485 for i/o communication to all the i/o boards scattered around the machine
also you need to work out its power up sequence. a lot of this sort of machine have timer relays etc. you should find these in the cab
i know its not a biesse, im trying to point out what i found with mine, as its italian too.
are you going to try to run it as is or convert straight to mach etc?
if converting to mach, what are your ideas for conversion so far?
its definately quite a big job as i found out.
there is normally a manual plc screen where you can switch each output on. air rams, drills down etc.
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Battwell,
There is a single 11kw Berges acm-d2 inverter that has the output routed to the individual spindles by a group of relays. I have been able to download the inverter manual and it looks like I should be able to control it with +-10v. I can get the inverter to power up but have not had any luck past that, I think I'm just missing the control signal.
That makes sense about a sequence of things that have to be completed before it can start. I have the air pressure switch bypassed for now (need to case down some air leaks) and the safety for the head cover is bypassed as well because the cover is removed to work on things. There may be something else that needs to be bypassed.
I have the wiring diagrams and some of the other manuals but nothing for programing the controller. I have spent some time getting familiar with the wiring diagrams and trying to understand how things work and what voltages are used. All the communications are coming from the control box (there are several cards in the box) and wired to the terminal strips in the main cabinet.
I plan on using Mach to control the machine and using Galil for the controller. I'm thinking of starting out with the DCM-2153 and two ICM-20105 boards plus the DC24 dc converter. I want the 5 axis control because it has more IO and will give me the option to add a indexer later. Most of the IO is 24dc so I think the 20105 boards will make wiring things a little easier. Any commits or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.
I want to try and keep as much of the original components and wiring as possible. Trying to just get one or two spindles working and movement plus vacuum control to start and will add more things later. There is a lot of air components that I'm not concerned with right now.
There is two encoders for each axis, one on the servo (may just a tach) and a separate true encoder on the axis. Should I leave the one on the servo connected to the servo amp and connect the other to the Galil board?
Thanks for the help, it's good to know that some one else has done something like this.
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re galil controller. are you buying new? ebay seller "athomemarket" has lots of regular galil products for peanuts. i have 5 axis controllers from them for about $150
everything i have had from them is brand new old stock.
galil rio works well for extra i/o
there are always breakout boards on ebay etc.
i just got a brand new 2280 controller for $300 instead of $3000+
i use the icm 1900 . can be any voltage i/o if configured correctly
my biesse uses a relay to "ignite" the inverter from a plc output . and then others to switch specific routers on ***spindle routing output circuit must be made before inverter is switched on or damage may be made to inverter***
also has a emergency signal, inverter inhibit "run" signal and thermal overload sence from router head input to overcome to get to run
its worth checking that the main circuit voltage circuit is permanantly live or also switched by plc output. obviously without this it wont run
if you check circuit diagram you should find a series loop of emergency/ over temp/ run signal to inverter input.
you will probably find the servo motor has a tach and encoder, or like you said encoder on axis.
the drive may require the tach i dont know but the galil will take the encoder output only. very easy to wire in. but make sure you follow instructions re first switch on exactly as motors seem to run away until set correctly.
i can help with galil startup tuning parameters etc and what i found re tuning as i made notes.
the i/o is a bit of a pain in mach as you have to use vb.macros i edited samples of code i found on this forum rather than learn it from scratch
how much did you pay for your antique or is that like asking how old the wife is?
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my machine is on you tube. see biessebod . not shown under mach control yet as its a work in progress. i need to use the machine daily until im happy to rip out the old controller. i have the new one as a plug in test bed on flying leads.
working on the tool changer macro at the moment. it looks easy if you watch the video but there is a long list of i/o and etc etc to consider.
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just looked at wiring and specs.
has inerter got wire going to inputs 8,10 at the moment ie 10v analogue or is it wired to inputs s0+ so- (rs485)
your inverter has a max frequency of 650 hz. (or if later software 1300 hz) thats high! 24000 rpm is normally at 400hz on router spindles
you will probably have parameters to set max frequency of output.
if you want max speed to be 24000 rpm etc this would have to be set so +10v gives 24000 etc
obviously if your powering drill spindle, saw spindle etc you will have to ensure your max analogue voltage commanded doesnt exceed the motor speed (probably about 1v peak to give 2400 rpm) or whatever speed that motor should run at.
if its already running as analogue you shouldnt have to change much. if its running rs485 at present you may have to set parameters
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Ebay really has some good prices on the Galil Parts. I had not looked before because I had heard that Galil will not offer any kind of support if you did not buy from them and I wanted support. The pricing does make it tempting to give up the Galil Support and try and figure things out with out them.
I paid 4500 for the machine, got into a bidding war at the end so paid more than what I expected but still below what I had decided on for a maximum bid.
Looked at your videos, nice machine and good looking shop.
The inverter is wired up on inputs 8,10 so should be good to go.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180336841561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
every thing you need to get running!
the galil mach combination is great. easy to set up if you can follow a manual. and some good help on cnc zone and here from kcrouch & smurf
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lol. the shop is now my garage at home! couldnt afford to keep up the big place. im running off a diesel generator as i cant get 3 phase where i live
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lol. the shop is now my garage at home! couldnt afford to keep up the big place. im running off a diesel generator as i cant get 3 phase where i live
You probably don't need 3 phase. I have rebuilt two CNC machines that were both 3 phase. It turned out that the only thing that required 3 phase in each of them were the motors. Virtually all VFDs sold now will run on single phase. I would not be surprised if you could not get it to run on single phase.
Vince
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maybe but i would have to buy new spindle drive etc. the problem i have is i only have a "flying" 80amp 230v supply to my home as im in the sticks. electric compant wanted a fortune to upgrade the supply.
my spindle is 7.5kw 380v 3 phase so i would be pushing the supply to melting point with the other things running here too.
besides most of my equipment requires 3 phase. to get it i just press the generator start button! no expensive electric bills , just pay as you go diesel
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I'm thinking about going with the controller on ebay that you listed. Just not happy about the way they ship it (no insurance or tracking and the length of time for shipping). I sent a message to them to see if they can ship it another way that can be insured and faster delivery.
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i just posted that as a price comparison. obviously its up to you to make sure your going to be happy with it and the terms of the sale.
i have dealt with a few of the asian companies on ebay and have always got a great deal.
shipping doesnt really matter here as i usually have to buy from the states or china/korea, singapore etc. their postal system is quite fast. its the UK side thats slow!
i bought 5 galil icm 1900 from singapore, they arrived in under a week.
contact these guys and see what they have
http://cgi.ebay.com/Galil-DMC-4040-Ethernet-RS232-4-Axis-Motion-Controller_W0QQitemZ390164299437QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad79abead
i have had lots of galil items from them cheap! eg. 5 axis controllers 1750 isa bus for $130 etc
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Waiting on controller, should be here on Friday. Purchased a Galil DMC-2143 with an ICM-20105 board from athomemarket on ebay. I think this should work to get started. Thinking of adding some Galil RIO's in the future to get more IO's and moving the spindle control over to it to free up one of the axis so an indexer can be added.
First question in a long list soon to come.
Can I use the 12v+- and 5V+ from the Mach computer power supply or should I add a separate power supply for the Galil Board?
Thanks,
Matt
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dont know that controller.
download and read the manual.
you will need it to get it registered on pc and set everything up anyway.
its easier if you print it off if you can. its a pain working off pdf when your setting evertything up
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The controller is here but, the icm board will not work for my needs. It is a icm-20500 d sub board and it looks like I need a icm -20105. The icm - 20500 with the d sub connectors can only control 2 axis, if it has the screw terminal connectors than it can control 4 axis :(. The good news is the controller has the 18-36v dc power option installed so I can use the 24v power that is in the control cabinet.
I have called Galil and ordered a icm-20105 board that should be here next week.
Just finished loading a new version of xp pro on a 2.8 p4 computer.
The controller is hooked up with a crossover cable.
I downloaded and installed Gaili Tools lite so I can talk to the controller but did not see a way to register the it with windows or configure it the way the Galil plugin pdf shows. Went back to the Galil website and found Smart term in the older software section. That works just the way the plugin pdf shows.
Installed the latest version of Mach, did not install the printer port drivers because the controller is connected over Ethernet (is this correct?)
Do I need the printer port drivers for mach to work with the Galil over Ethernet?
I noticed that driver test is not there either, is this because the printer port drivers were not installed (do I need this?)
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i couldnt get galil tools to work either. i use smarterm. (think most people have found this)
dont know re printer driver. send crouch a pm or ask artsoft direct. ( i have printer driver installed on mine but its not chosen when it loads by selecting plugin once galil plugin is configured and registered with mach)
one thing you will notice is that mach wont show moves as its waiting for feedback from the galil . (all works fine when motors/encoders are correctly working)
make sure you follow the book carefully re servo first tests ie. limit the current etc as the motors can really move.... in the wrong direction!
luckily my first tests were on small yaskawa servos on the bench. was well worth doing to get your head around everything
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The ICM 20105 board is here and is all hooked up.
The 24 volt inputs and outputs are working.
It has taken some time to get controlled motion on all three axis. Had some problems with the encoder voltage but Galil tech support has been very helpful with how to get the right voltage out of the ICM board. I have been unable to get Smart Terminal to move the axis with commands but can use Mach to move the axis.
Made a big mistake today while jogging the X axis in Mach. Not sure what I did but some how moved the X axis at full speed (39 inches per second). The 1000 lb head flew past the limit switch into the physical stop block, ripping out (4) m10 bolts and finally hitting the side frame of the machine making a dent in the very thick steel plate.
The way the limit switches are originally wired is to cut the main power to the servo amps when the switch is tripped. I think this will have to be changed so there can be some control to decelerate the motor and stop the head instead of cutting the power and letting it just coast to a stop or slam into the side frame of the machine.
Trying to figure out how to control the spindle with the Galil 4th axis and Mach. I have it wired up to the 4th axis but not getting the 0-10v that is needed. I have the spindle mapped to the 4th axis in the plug in but not sure how to configure it past that. Do ports and pins need to be mapped, if so what are the numbers and what else needs to be set up. I have been searching the forum but not finding answers other than a script that somebody made for the Galil Controller but it seems there should be a better way.
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while your testing its worth setting the axis to torque limit tlx2 for example gives max 2v out on x axis instead of maximum of 10volts. this stops you from shooting into limits and breaking things! you must send bn command to burn it.
re limit switches. usually there is also a shorting relay that after power is switched off, shorts the motor wires together to perform dynamic braking of the motor. check if its there and you havnt wired it out?
have you wired the limits into the galil? the galil can be set to stop the motor dead when limit is hit. and will then jog only reverse off limit.
re movement direct from galil. you must write acceleration/ deceleration time , distance pr then bgx for begin movement x etc etc
this is done in side window on left. its in the manual
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oh. look what i wrote in my last post "make sure you follow the book carefully re servo first tests ie. limit the current etc as the motors can really move.... in the wrong direction!
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I had set the TL to 1 but did not burn it in and had cycled power on the Galil controller before I switched to Mach. Good suggestion to burn it in until the testing is done.
When the PR 1000 and BGX commands are entered there is no movement. The limit switch state is off on the galil box and no errors are showing.
I did not wire the limit switch to the Galil Controller because the machine has 1 limit switch that rides on each axis so I'm not sure how the Galil would work if the same switch is wired to both + and - limit. Also with the power being removed from the servo amp when the limit switch is active it seems the galil box would have nothing to control.
The only axis that was originally wired up to for dynamic braking when the power is removed is the z axis, but it might be worth changing the other axis to work that way also.
Any thoughts on setting up the spindle?
Thanks for the help.
Matt
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do you have the spindle configured in motor tuning in mach? speed, acceleration etc
is there a feedback pulse from your vfd? or are you going to run the spindle open loop?
your spindle may not respond to tl1 1 volt output. burn it at 9.98 for axis 4 on galil (your vfd may be set for minimum rpm for example 8000rpm )
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re galil movements. you have to set acceleration, deceleration too before using pr1000 and bgx etc. worth burning these in.
make notes of what you burn in to change them later. took me ages to work out why i couldnt get full speeds!
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do you have the spindle configured in motor tuning in mach? speed, acceleration etc
is there a feedback pulse from your vfd? or are you going to run the spindle open loop?
your spindle may not respond to tl1 1 volt output. burn it at 9.98 for axis 4 on galil (your vfd may be set for minimum rpm for example 8000rpm )
do you have the spindle configured in motor tuning in mach? speed, acceleration etc
is there a feedback pulse from your vfd? or are you going to run the spindle open loop?
your spindle may not respond to tl1 1 volt output. burn it at 9.98 for axis 4 on galil (your vfd may be set for minimum rpm for example 8000rpm )
I have a meter connected to the ground and motor cmd pins on axis w on the ICM Board to see what voltage there (trying to get 0 to 10v)
I have tried different settings in motor tuning with no luck
No feed back so will have to be open loop.
I can get 9.98 volts if I use the OF command in smart terminal.
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how have you configured spindle in mach? motor tuning- saved?
ports and pins - spindle setup?
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Figured out the spindle issue.
I had the speed set to 0 and was trying to change the speed with the + - buttons (feel pretty stupid about that). Sometimes things are so obvious that you just don't see it.
You were right about setting the accel and deccel in smart terminal. Have movement using the pr command now.
Thanks
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haha. ive done that too!
set spindle acceleration/deceleration to approx 3 seconds in mach so its up to speed before cutting. putting faster decelerations than that gets braking resistor very hot!
have you got it all moving now then? would like to see a video.(especially if you have the one of it overshooting the limit switch :-)
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how are you getting on with this?
im just converting a biesse 335.
3 heads, 24 v drills, 8 h drills.
had great fun writing the macros for its tool change!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5cxgv3U2Qk&feature=channel
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We have the exact machine your working on now sitting around gathering dust. We took it offline about ten years ago and haven't done anything with it. Supermaster 150. As far as I know everything was working before we shut it down. We used it for cabinet case parts and doors. Did a fine job. Need parts? haha..
I don't know if Delmac still supports them or not but you can speak with them as well for parts and additional information.
Michael Burdick
Dave's Cabinet Inc.
Chesapeake, Va 23322
757.421.3283
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i read all comment and now i have two question :
1-about 3-phase > can we run 3-phase servo driver with single phase ? for example old Yaskawa
2-about isa > This bus is outdated in Most motherboards .How you use it ?
Amir
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re 3 phase. what kw rating are your drives? do you need full drive output power?
re isa. you can still buy motherboards with isa slot. (i buy some from china when i need them)
(thats why the 1700 cards are so cheap, but they work just as good)
however the galil can be stand alone ethernet controllere (models 2100, 2200)
pci bus (1800)
these are the older galil cards.
they now sell the much faster accelera cards and stand alone controllers too.
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thx for reply
i use Yaskawa C A C R-S R 15BC about 1.5KW http://www.yaskawa.com/site/dmservo.nsf/%28DocID%29/TKUR-5TAKRN/$File/TSE-S800-2.2.pdf (http://www.yaskawa.com/site/dmservo.nsf/%28DocID%29/TKUR-5TAKRN/$File/TSE-S800-2.2.pdf)
do you need full drive output power?
no
yes, i check galil product.
the new product is very expensive,for example "4-axis Ethernet" about 2295$
now another question:
i hear about Dynomotion(kflop) controller:
- 200MHZ DSP controller
- USB 2
- support 8-axis
- analog servo control
- low price
...
what different between this type controller and Galil ?
This price difference over what is the topic?
Amir
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sorry i have only used the galil
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thx for comment
but you dont answer about 3-phase driver.
Amir
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Hi stagecraft,
I was just wondering if you got all the functions on the machine like the line boring and the saw working with mach3? I have a Busellato Master with a PTP400 control and I'm also planning to retrofit.
Any help would be highly appreciated.
thanks, Jorg
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i have everything working
here is a video of its first borin (drilling in all directions) cut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaj45i-FGnY
was taken in testing stages so everything is slowed down!
the conversion is pretty complex with a huge learning curve but well worth it. the machine has been running daily since september.
look through my other videos to see how it improved with accuracy etc
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Hi battwell,
looks very impressive.
Was your machine a 3axis to begin with? Mine is a 2.5 axis, meaning the z axis depth is set by the control and then the movement is actuated by pneumatic valves. My axis are controlled by a Gould CLX A242 for the x and y axis and a A241 for the z axis with motors Gould M124-C40A-900F 21Amp.
Did you leave your existing axis control and motors or did you replace them?
Did you leave the existing relais or is it all controlled now by the new board?
What were the major hurdles you had to jump? How long did it take to convert?
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i kept all original drives and safety relay circuitry
major hurdles were learning vb scripting to control everything! there is some better info on this now but you still have to know "exactly" what you want the machine to do!
my machine is 3 axis , z is on ballscrew with pneumatic assist for the weight. also has pneumatic up /down for each head in use.
its an ongoing project as you always find things you dont like and change them, but unlike manufacturer oem controls, this is easy to do once you understand it.
(as long as you can manage the vb scripting) see artsoft videos for an insight on this.
expect a month to get it programmed to do everything. if its just routing about a week to get it all under control.
depending how flexible your brain is!
the conversion was well worth it . cost approx £1000 for parts off ebay in total but £100000 in brain labour!
im going to convert a machine similar to mine for somebody else this week. but he has to pay! i expect i can have his conversion done within 2-3 days start to finish
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Would you like to convert mine as well?
Too bad that your probably in the UK and I'm in Canada. Would you share your scripts? It might be easier to start with an existing program and just modify it for my machine.
Which control did you use? galil DMC 2143 is around 600$ on ebay right now.
As my z axis is not on ballscrew do you think it might be feasible to mount an linear actuator with a router on the carriage to get the third axis motion? I thought it could either be addressed as a fourth axis or I could use a switch to either use the existing z axis or the actuator axis if 3d is needed.
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the galil 2143 wont have enough i/o . it has a maximum of 56 all together
ideal control if your looking at older models are the 2160 on ebay or 22 series if you can find one. (i bought a new 2280 off ebay £300.)
then you have to add the breakout boards and cables. icm 1900 or 2900 are fine. (some cheap on ebay at the moment)
re your z axis? no motor at all just pneumatic? is pneumatic on/off or linearised by control?
send me some pictures to battwell at ukonline dot co dot uk
re my scripts etc. i did my conversion specifically with the intention of using only for refits of machinery for others. (i have 2 customers waiting for me to finish all testing etc to make sure everything is bomproof and safe before refitting their machines. i will be offering a totally assembled control customised to each machine. the biesse models like i have converted there are hundreds out in the world all with totally naf controls which you have to program by hand line by line. i will be mainly offering the conversion to them . i have 2 years of research and investment in the project at the moment. i purchased the machine you see specifically for the conversion too.
it will have to be a fitted conversion , not supply only as each machine needs to be carefully set up and customised
most machine owners wouldnt have the patience to attempt or complete a conversion on this scale.
i will be travelling! yes im in uk.
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I need some manuals for gould clx a242 servo drivers. I have save similiral cnc from scrapyard.