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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 05:52:14 PM

Title: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 05:52:14 PM
hi folks im woundering if any one can help me
im using vetric pro software
mach3 os for the operating software on a 2009 camwood wr408
all software is reg and updated current as of july of this year
here is my problem
if i am doing any thing simple ie:shapes drill cycles generar routing ect my machine runs like a swiss watch
when i try to do a complex art rout ie something that has many tools and thousands of lines i get emergency stops
tool crashes and all sorts of different glitches
i will note that i do not have an automatic tool changer so i work around it by telling the etric software different tools
i have for example tried to run long programs slowes to allow the controler to keep up this did nothing
i think the interface between the computer and the machine is called a soft stepper3
any ideas on what i might be doing wrong would help
thank you guys and gals in advance
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: gdb on December 06, 2009, 06:06:15 PM
Hi sledrat, I had strang things going on with large 3d files. I turned off the ToolPath window on the Diagnostics page lower left corner
 and fixed the problem.

       Glen 
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 06:08:53 PM
i have tried that to no resolve
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: Graham Waterworth on December 06, 2009, 06:09:13 PM
Hi,

do you have micro switches as limit switches?

When you get the e-stop errors is the machine juddering or vibrating ?

Do you get the errors more during 3 axis simultaneous moves ?

Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 06:16:17 PM
e stops are not limit switches
not getting e stop errors at tool change i get an emergency once in a while but the machine has already stopped
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
can you run the file with no machine conected? This should rule out software errors
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 06:53:01 PM
i dont know how
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 06:58:01 PM
Can you post the file your trying to run and your XML file?
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:01:06 PM
i will try in a few min.
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:08:06 PM
hey i just tried to post the file
the fourm said to many char
the prog is abou 6000 lines long
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 07:15:21 PM
Click on advanced options when you post and you can attach the file. I just pulled up the documentation for the smooth stepper.
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 07:17:57 PM
I am very interested in seing the XML file of your machine setup. Should be in the Mach3 folder on your machine PC
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
here is another try to show you thi file im trying to run
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 07:23:26 PM
Perfect. Now I need your XML to setup the test.
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:26:46 PM
the xml file you request is in the shop and im not there rite now
im not even sure how to acess it or how to coppy it to a mem stick
how could i view it and what should i look for??
i am not to schooled on the inter workings of all this new tec
i am still in the learning stage and man i have a lot to learn
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:31:46 PM
the onle changes i made to it were information on tool changes and i changed m6 to m06 to get the mach to try to fake a tool change
the m6 to m06 did not help
in 1 crash the machine stoped then after about 5 seconds it started to move the z twards the table at a verry slow rate of about 3 in per min
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
Let me try to run it.
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:38:05 PM
be carful i dont want your mach to crash
what mach are you running
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:38:40 PM
sorry i mean machine
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: Hood on December 06, 2009, 07:40:29 PM
What exactly are you wanting  Mach to do when a different tool is called?

Hood
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
stop  for a tool change but that is when truble happens
i would like to enter the offsets page change tools and hit the start cycle and walk away for the next 20 min.
but what i get is the machine stops then either before or after i go to the offset page to change tools
i get an emergency
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: Hood on December 06, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
You  say you get an emergency, what exactly does the  message say?
 I am running your file at the moment in simulation and seems good so far.
Hood
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:57:23 PM
in the space next to reset it says emergency and scrools rite to left repeating
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 07:58:23 PM
hey by the way i want to thank you for your help
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: Hood on December 06, 2009, 08:04:01 PM
Cant recall ever seeing emergency on its own, will have to think about that and try a few things to see if I can simulate it.
As Ryan has said, your xml might throw up some answers, so when you get a chance attach your xml, you will find it in the main Mach3 folder and if you are using the standard profile it will be called Mach3Mill.xml, if you have a custom profile then it will have that name. You will likely need to change the name of it before you can attach to the forum so once you have it on your pen drive change the name to sledrat.xml and the forum should accept it fine.


Hood
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 08:08:49 PM
hey i have seen that my file i belive it is the standard
i have seen the file mach3mill.xml some where on the cnc pc
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 08:11:12 PM
The file is running perfect for me
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 08:14:59 PM
i guess that tells me mine might have an issue
can you tell me the correct way to deal with vetricthat uses different tools
and my machine that does not have a tool changer or at least tell me what is supposed to happen
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: Hood on December 06, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
runs fine for me as well.
What are the specs of your computer (sorry if you already said but its after 1am here and my eyes are tired :D )
What version of Mach are you running?
Hood
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: Hood on December 06, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
Normally you have Mach configured to stop at a tool change  and when you have swapped the tool you press start and Mach will continue with the new offset. Mach gets the offsets from the tooltable.
 I have a knee mill so dont worry about that as I just wind the knee to suit rather than have tools in the tooltable as its quicker for me.

Hood
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
or do you know of a simple do nothing file that would involve multiple tool changes i could run as an example
that way i eould know what to expect or at least know ho to modify my txt file to suit my machine
about the onle code i use now is g64 constant vel so its not to hard on my machine
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 08:23:48 PM
Is your machine set to stop at tool change? This is a setting in general config.
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 08:24:55 PM
i dont use the tool table because i am running only a few bits and on my machine when ever you change to a different tool number it brings up a pop up that says you can only have tool num 1
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 08:25:31 PM
yes its supposed to
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: sledrat on December 06, 2009, 08:35:26 PM
hey guy i want to thank you again
tommorow i am going to try to program a simple fileand try different tool changes
and i am going to check all my settings if i read your post rite its late where ever you are from
get to sleep

 
Title: Re: long program glitch
Post by: rcrabb on December 06, 2009, 08:37:32 PM
Grab your XML. I also PM you my email if you need more help.