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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: dougie329 on October 26, 2009, 02:56:34 PM
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I purchased an ISMM2080 jog pendant and am having no joy at all setting it up. I have connected it directly to the LPT2 via a 25 pin solder plug. The instructions I have followed are via the cnc4pc link
http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/guide_for_MPG4_over_LPT2.htm (http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/guide_for_MPG4_over_LPT2.htm)
I initially thought it was the LPT2 address and it turned out I did indeed have it wrong, so reset it to 0xECF8 in mach3. As far as I know the port works fine, I can use a printer from LPT2 no problem.
I wired the pendant into a 25 pin connector as per the cnc4pc document so:
red and orange/black were connected to USB + 5v
black and white/black were connected to USB ground
green to pin2
white to pin3
yellow to pin4
yellow/black to pin5
brown to pin6
nothing to pin7
grey to pin8
grey/black to pin9
orange to pin10
the e-stop blue and blue/black were left disconnected for now until I can get it working and I dont think I need pink, pink/black, red/black and brown/black. I am fairly sure what I have done so far is wired correct. There is still a bare non coloured wire which has solder on the end and not sure what that is?
I have followed cnc4pc`s instructions manual for settings and loading the brains etc and when I plug it in the led light comes on but absolutely nothing happens.
In diagnostics the output 6 light is on.
What tests can I do to start eliminating things and hopefully reduce the hair pulling and get it sorted?
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spent some more time on it and I just cant get the output#6 light to go out on the diagnostics page :( If I turn off all the brains it goes out but then so does the led on the MPG. I have the enable button brains and axis jog selector brains ticked.
Does someone have the mach3 settings they used for a similar MPG pendant? Do I need to set any triggers in system hotkeys?
I am not the best at electronics, how can I test this output? Its pin 1 on LPT2
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Probably best to ask Arturo at CNC4PC, I have never used any of his stuff so afraid I am no help :(
Hood
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I have had some help off Arturo but to no avail. I swapped the Gecko drive cnc controller and all the necessary mach settings over to LPT2 and the motors jog and everything works as it should so I am guessing it cant be the pci parallel port at fault. I then plugged the jog pendant into the computers standard LPT1 and nothing at all. Arghhh this is starting to get to me! Perhaps a faulty pendant? Everything seems to come back to output#6 flashing red on diagnostics.
I got mine directly from HEDSS and not from arturo at cnc4pc.com so he has been more than helpful so far.
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Dougie329 I just read the first line of the setting up page link you quoted in your first post.
For this implementation the optional C22 - Pendant Interface Board is required. This board takes power from the USB port for powering the Pendant's circuit and also buffers all the signals to ensure reliable operation.
Do you understand what that means, i have set one up to test using the C22 interface and had no problems.
Phil
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Hi Phil, im bordering hopeless on electronics ;D but have a sound logical engineering mind so usually get there in the end. I know that the C22 board exists however I spoke to Arturo from cnc4pc.com and he said its possible to wire directly without one which I have been trying to do using his chart.
I have also spoken to someone else off this forum who has the exact same problem which is that no-matter what I do output#6 flashes red and the MPG doesnt do anything. I may well order a C22 board today and see what happens but surely I should get something lighting up in diagnostics.
Where did you get your C22 board?
If possible could you kindly let me know the settings and which brains you have switched on in mach3 so I can eliminate any obvious errors.
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Dougie329
I bought the C22 direct from CNC4PC, plugged it in to a Smooth Stepper port 2 followed the instructions and it worked. ;D
Phil
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Dougie329
I have put a new post here to tell you why you are not going to get this working the way you are going about it.
The CNC4PC setup page says set Mach pins 2-9 as inputs but and its a big but, the pins 2-9 are outputs on the parallel port, that is what the C22 does it converts the signals, something that certain BOB's can do also.
Essential things that you seem unwilling to spend money on.
Phil
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Phill, you can opt to set pins 2-9 as Inputs in Mach for a second parallel port, some parallel ports can't do that however if they are just standard ports, they need to be set up as enhanced ports.
Hood
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Thanks Phil
Thats all I am after, a bit of help on the why and how. There is zero information comes with this MPG pendant from the factory and all I had to go off was some bits I found on the internet. Its certainly not that I am unwilling to buy a C22 board at a few pounds, just that I didnt know exactly what it did and if I actually needed one or not. From your post I guess I do and will get one in and post back how I get on :)
Just spotted your post Hood, not sure what you mean by setting them up as enhanced ports
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Parallel ports can often be set up as bi directional ports, for the onboard ports you set that in the BIOS, for PCI ports it can occasionally be set by jumpers or it is often self detecting, there are some however that just can't be set up as BiDirectional.
What make/model is your secondary port?
Hood
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It is made by sunix, I will get the model details and spec tomorrow when in work. I have tried a couple of other cards and no luck with them either but they do work fine for controlling the driver/motors. Is there a particular recommended model for this kind of thing?
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Have you enabled the Pins 2-9 as Inputs for the second port?
Not really sure which cards work best as I have not used the parallel port for about 2 yrs now on any of my machines. If you do a search there are a few posts about PCI cards that work with Mach which have been posted in the last few months I think.
Hood
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Just looked and both of the current sunix cards seem to be enhanced ports.
Hood
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Dougie329
I have put a new post here to tell you why you are not going to get this working the way you are going about it.
The CNC4PC setup page says set Mach pins 2-9 as inputs but and its a big but, the pins 2-9 are outputs on the parallel port, that is what the C22 does it converts the signals, something that certain BOB's can do also.
Essential things that you seem unwilling to spend money on.
Phil
Well I have exactly the same problem as douqie329 but I have the C-22 board installed. It made NO difference in my setup and I am still without a fully functional pendant. And my Output #6 LED is still on as well. For the cost of the C-22 card it wouldn't hurt to try it just to cover all the bases. I even went with a higher end LPT PCI card and it didn't help. This is the card I used (SIIG CyberPro PCI to Parallel Adapter JJ-P00112-S5) and it was recommended by someone on this board who was having similar problems with his pendant and it solved his problem, so I tried it. Unfortunately it didn't help me.
John
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Phill, you can opt to set pins 2-9 as Inputs in Mach for a second parallel port, some parallel ports can't do that however if they are just standard ports, they need to be set up as enhanced ports.
Hood
:-[ :-[ :-[
Phil
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Hi John
I am going to order a C22 interface off Arturo today and see if it fixes the issue. If it doesnt then it must be a common port or settings problem that we are having. I will let you know how I get on.
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dougie,
not sure if you saw what I asked earlier but do you definitely have Port 2 Pins 2-9 enabled as Inputs in Mach?
Hood
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yep definately have pins 2-9 box ticked. Arturo sent a couple C22 boards out yesterday for me so hopefully they will arrive next week and I know I will have that part of things done correctly.
I have plugged everything back in as normal with the gecko/motors to LPT1 and pendant to LPT2.
If I open the jog pane by pressing tab I can move the axis using the keys in continuous mode, nothing happens in MPG mode.
If I disable all the brains nothing at all but when I press the enable button I get a green light coming on in diagnostics, with all brains disabled the LED is not on. As soon as I enable the axis_jogres_selector_ brain the red light comes on but so does the input#6 red light.