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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: ste68blue on March 11, 2009, 10:04:42 AM

Title: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 11, 2009, 10:04:42 AM
Hi all, appologies if this is in the wrong forum...

i have connected all my motors and power etc to the controller board, loaded MACH3 sotware, went to run the motors and i appear to be having problems.

If i tell x axis and y axis to move they are fine, however if i tell z axis to move the motor does nothing but x motor and y motor both vibrate. i have soldered all of the ends of the wiring, to give a good connection, ensured all connections are tight and secure, uninstalled software and reinstalled it but it makes no difference...

ANY TIPS

Anything would be appreciated as it is now delaying the project

cheers
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Hood on March 11, 2009, 03:38:28 PM
Sounds like you have it wired wrong. What board have you got things connected to? A pic might help if you can manage that.
Hood
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Chip on March 11, 2009, 03:42:33 PM
Hi, Stephen

Re-check your Port's & pin's, Motor Output, Pin settings.

Chip
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on March 12, 2009, 03:34:27 AM
Hi Stephen,

It sounds obvious but recheck that you have the Z Axis stepper coils connected correctly.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 12, 2009, 04:45:28 AM
Hi all, firstly thank you for your responses.

I am going to take some snaps of the board today, not sure how to attach them onto this post yet, i'll have a look in a sec.

I have checked all connections and all seem fine, i have tried changing the motors over on the different axis's and the motors work fine, just not on the z axis

cheers
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 12, 2009, 11:25:00 AM
hi again pics attached, hope that helps and someone can shed some light on my problem

ahhhh, help...how do i attach pics??

cheers
stephen


Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Overloaded on March 12, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
Stephen,
 Click the REPLY button, then Additional Options. Browse to and attach your files.
RC
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 12, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
right....cheers for that, try this..
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Hood on March 12, 2009, 02:05:27 PM
Check the parallel cable is a straight through cable and not a cross over type. If thats correct then please attach your xml for the profile you use and I will have a look and see if there is a problem with it. You will need to copy it from the Mach3 folder to for instance your desktop and then rename it before the forum will accept it, suggest you call it ste68blue.xml


Hood
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 12, 2009, 05:07:25 PM
Hi, thanks for that..

The cable came with the board, how do i check whether it is a straight through or not?

I will copy the xml file tomorrow and post it on the forum as you suggested

I appreciate any help you can give me

cheers
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Hood on March 12, 2009, 05:25:28 PM
If you have a multimeter put it on the buzzer setting if it has one, if not put it on a low Ohm range and just probe pin to pin from either end of the cable to see that each one goes straight through 1 to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3 etc etc.
Hood
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 12, 2009, 07:01:53 PM
right yeah sorry...blonde moment

cheers
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 13, 2009, 07:36:58 AM
Hi, my xml file attached

much appreciated

cheers
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Hood on March 13, 2009, 08:21:11 AM
Have you tried slowing the Vel and Accel way down to see if you can at least get it moving. Think to be honest it is a faulty drive board you have but everything is woth a try. I have looked at the xml and dont see anything majorly wrong so far.
Hood
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 13, 2009, 08:41:40 AM
Hi, cheers for the reply

Yes i have tried slowing and speeding up the motors.....makes no difference.

Is there anything i can check on the board?

stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Hood on March 13, 2009, 09:22:37 AM
dont think so, apart from trying  swapping the motors around which will only tell you if the motor is the problem. With these all in one boards there is no possibility of swapping drives around to see if the problem follows :(
Hood
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on March 13, 2009, 09:58:09 AM
Hi Stephen,

Unfortunately it may be the driver board as Hood has said (I hope it is not).
As it is only one axis at fault try testing the components associated with the failed axis - the 2 (large) current limiting resistors with a multimeter to make sure they are not open circuit, also check the 4 protection diodes to make sure they are not short circuit (low ohms in one direction and high ohms in the other - with motor disconnected of course). It would be a bit of tricky soldering but it is not out of the question to replace the TA8435 chip (cut off all the pins and remove them carefully from board one at a time then fit replacement to heatsink then solder pins). There is not really anything else on this board to go wrong.

Tweakie.

Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 13, 2009, 10:08:01 AM
cheers for that....im not sure i have the technical expertise to do that....

stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on March 14, 2009, 03:18:32 AM
If all else fails then you have nothing to loose by trying something radical. Thats my motto.

I am sure that if needs must that you could find all the necessary skills. Think positive.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 14, 2009, 10:52:13 AM
Thanks for that tweekie, may be i can....

I have emailed the supplier and they have said they will send a replacement at no cost, so hopefully that will be okay.

One more question i have is if i wanted to run two motors from one axis, how do i do that, is it just a case of wiring two motors to the same axis? or is there a better way?

cheers
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on March 14, 2009, 11:15:17 AM
Brilliant news about getting a replacement controller.

I doubt that this controller can handle the current necessary to satisfactorily run two motors wired in parallel. But it all depends on the torque required to drive the axis, maybe 1.25 Amps per motor will provide enough torque, maybe not. You would have to try it and see I suppose.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 14, 2009, 11:25:47 AM
but is that how it is done though? just simply wire the two motors into the same axis?

cheers
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: Chaoticone on March 14, 2009, 11:29:46 AM
Stephen, usually you would have 2 drives, 2 motors and slave the two together.

Brett
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on March 14, 2009, 11:43:10 AM
okay cheers, for all the help.

i will update on our progress and post some pics

thanks again
stephen
Title: Re: BOARD PROBLEM HELP REQUIRED
Post by: ste68blue on April 24, 2009, 06:27:11 AM
Hi, just a quick update...got replacement board and it is doing exactly the same as the original one...

when i send a command to z axis the other two motors vibrate but z does nothing....

anyway put tester on motor output wires and got the following readings, hopefully it will help one of you guys to tell me whats wrong and how to fix it...

on the working motors i get:
red-yell = 3v
red-green = 3v
red-blue = 4v

on the z axis that wont work i get:
red-yell = 0v
red-green = 5v
red-blue = 4v

Any help is much appreciated

cheers
stephen