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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: hhr08 on June 30, 2011, 05:08:25 PM
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New user with X Axis problems---after many repeated attempts to run several jobs, the machine/software will make it thru 25 to 50 percent of the job and start drilling a hole to china---once stopped, I try to jog out of the whole, but I find that the keyboard buttons for up and down have been automatically reversed. My X Axis has only abut 4 inches of movement. the holes to china start as if the - and + have reversed itself and probabably that is why the keyboard short cuts for up and down movement get reversed.
running Mach3 on a 2.8 processor, Win 2000--computer runs fine, CNC wiring is good and no cross-talk, motor is fine.----have strong opinion that Mach3 software is taking its eye off of saved settings -----any way to really lock the saved settings other that operator password?
Any One with Simular Problem? and comments on this issue would be appreciated. Any updates or bug fixes for this problem?
Thanks
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These problems are common with the pirate versions of Mach.
Hood
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Purchased the software and received licensed for it. This is the site link
http://buildyourcnc.com/CNCsoftware.aspx
and they advertis your product. The are a very reputable site.
The below is one of many emails between myself and the Buildyourcnc company.
see belolw.
How can my version of the Mach3 software be bad when I downloaded it from the Mach3 website.??
Your immediate attention to this matter will be appreciate.
Thank you.
Patrick,
Still have not received the license for the Mach 3 software. I would like to have it today if all possible.
Thank you.
Robert C. Kelemen
Rural Hall, N.C.
Fm: Patrick Hood-Daniel
Sent: Tuesday, Ma y 31, 2011 7:06 PM
To: robert
Subject: Re: software license
Hi Robert,
We will have the license to you momentarily. I made the request from the developer of the software.
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:01 PM, robert <rkelemenhhr@hotmail.com> wrote:
Receipt No: 2488-9425-7674-4494 for Item #97, Mach 3 software full license purchased this date.
When will I receive the license?
Thanks,
Robert C. Kelemen
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Not my product ;)
Can you check to see that your xml is not set read only.
If its not then can you attach your xml as there may be something I can find that would cause the issues.
You will have to copy and rename the xml as the forum only accepts a file name once. You can attach via the additional options on the reply page.
Hood
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what do you mean when you say "not my product"?
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I mean I am a Mach user that helps out on the forum.
One other thing that could cause an axis to change direct is a loose direction wire or electrical noise affecting the direction wire.
Hood
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The xml file is not "read only" --why would it cut out 25 to 50 percent of the project before cutting a hole to china------if it were read only it wouldn't do anything. Wiring is fine and have checked it three times but will check again just to make sure----I really dont thing the wiring is the issue at all ----it is a issue of reversal of the plus and minus directions that also reverses the jog buttons on my computer keyboard---are there any other same issue-problems reported by other users of Mach 3---and how were they resolved--I have noticed many very simular issues on your forum but not many direct answers.
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Only times I have seen mention of this is when pirate licences have been used, that is why I mentioned that.
The xml can be read only as Mach writes to the xml when you shut Mach down so if it was read only then the settings would not be written.
If you attach your xml I will have a look and see if I can spot anything that may be an issue.
One question though, when the machine goes off does the toolpath show the correct direction or does it show the wayward motion?
Hood
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Not sure what you mean by correct firection and wayward motion? can you explain a little?
when the machine goes off does the toolpath show the correct direction or does it show the wayward motion?
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If you are saying that the settings are not written to the xml file until the application is closed--where are the settings saved when an operator makes a change midway during the cutting process?
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Is there anything in the xml file that reflect if its a valid license or in the system registry that would tell if the license is valid---reason I ams asking is there are others who I have corresponded with that have the same problem with the reverse axis during cutting process and it has alway been with the X axis, and some have purchased the license directly from Mach 3
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checked my installaton of Mach3 on opening screen under Help/About my full name is reflected as it is suppose to be---whou at else can I check---seems to me that there is not a problem with the license. My shop computer is void of junk and in order to get you a copy of the xml file I would have to get a burner program and burn the file to a CD and then send it to you. In the mean time, is there anything specific in the XML file that I can look at or look for?
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He's asking if the tool path in Mach 3 and the DRO's are showing the expected cutting position or if they to are reversed.
The DRO's/Simulation are not connected to the hardware they reflect the instructions MACH 3 is sending to the machine if they are wrong it's likely a problem with the GCode, setup or less likely a bug in Mach.
If they look right and the machine is doing something different then you look at the machine or a bug.
It's less likely to be a common bug because if it were these forums would be on fire with people complaining.
I think the whole pirated thing is a red herring FWIW.
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We ask to post an xml file because it quickly provides a way for someone to see how you configured the machine and in general your settings
without asking a lot of questions. That minimizes the time we have to spend in addressing someones problem by eliminating some possibilies along with asking more direct
questions tailored to the problem. So if a user can make our job easier in helping the user it would be appreciated.
I think the whole pirated thing is a red herring FWIW.
Think as you wish but the pirated thing is real, can create problems, and can be a royal PITA. Personaly,nothing worse then spending a lot of time trying to help someone with a problem, a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place, and is due to some horses ask who has no respect for anothers time, effort, and consideration.
RICH
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I think the whole pirated thing is a red herring FWIW.
Here is the most recent PM reply I got to a guy that was having axis direction randomly change, I have many more ;)
Hood
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Hood,
It sounds as if you are convinced I do not have a legit copy of the license or application-please tell me as a user and customer how I can determine that I do not have a legit license or application after spending hours upon hours on this software---you know I purchased it and who I purchased the software from base on the info that I have sent.
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I am not convinced at all, in fact nothing is further from the truth, I was simply replying to ERP's Red Herring comment.
If you can say whether the toolpath shows the errant moves or not that will help narrow down the cause of your problem.
Also as Rich said providing your xml would help as it allows us to look at your settings and see if there are any that could cause problems, much easier than asking thousands of questions and possibly taking pages of back and forth messages to get there.
Hood
Edit, just to clarify what I am meaning by the above I am not convinced at all, in fact nothing is further from the truth
is I believe that you do indeed have a genuine licence.
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HOOD, did you get the xml file.
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HOOD, did you get the xml file.
No, where is it?
Hood
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when trying to upload another copy as an attachement get message that the file has already been sent then tried again and it ask to rename--I renamed and resent and got same message--sending a copy as below.
<?xml version="1.0"?>
-<profile>+<Preferences>-<VideoPlugIn><DROcolor>1178909</DROcolor><TOOLcolor>255</TOOLcolor><CROSScolor>16777215</CROSScolor><ShowTool>0</ShowTool><ShowMousePos>0</ShowMousePos><ShowAxisPos>0</ShowAxisPos><FlipAxis>0</FlipAxis><ToolDia>0.5</ToolDia><ScaleFactor>2.e-003</ScaleFactor></VideoPlugIn>-<GCodeVar><GVar500>0.</GVar500><GVar501>0.</GVar501><GVar502>0.</GVar502><GVar503>0.</GVar503><GVar504>0.</GVar504><GVar505>0.</GVar505><GVar506>0.</GVar506><GVar507>0.</GVar507><GVar508>0.</GVar508><GVar509>0.</GVar509><GVar510>0.</GVar510><GVar511>0.</GVar511><GVar512>0.</GVar512><GVar513>0.</GVar513><GVar514>0.</GVar514><GVar515>0.</GVar515><GVar516>0.</GVar516><GVar517>0.</GVar517><GVar518>0.</GVar518><GVar519>0.</GVar519><GVar520>0.</GVar520><GVar521>0.</GVar521><GVar522>0.</GVar522><GVar523>0.</GVar523><GVar524>0.</GVar524><GVar525>0.</GVar525><GVar526>0.</GVar526><GVar527>0.</GVar527><GVar528>0.</GVar528><GVar529>0.</GVar529><GVar530>0.</GVar530><GVar531>0.</GVar531><GVar532>0.</GVar532><GVar533>0.</GVar533><GVar534>0.</GVar534><GVar535>0.</GVar535><GVar536>0.</GVar536><GVar537>0.</GVar537><GVar538>0.</GVar538><GVar539>0.</GVar539><GVar540>0.</GVar540><GVar541>0.</GVar541><GVar542>0.</GVar542><GVar543>0.</GVar543><GVar544>0.</GVar544><GVar545>0.</GVar545><GVar546>0.</GVar546><GVar547>0.</GVar547><GVar548>0.</GVar548><GVar549>0.</GVar549><GVar550>0.</GVar550><GVar551>0.</GVar551><GVar552>0.</GVar552><GVar553>0.</GVar553><GVar554>0.</GVar554><GVar555>0.</GVar555><GVar556>0.</GVar556><GVar557>0.</GVar557><GVar558>0.</GVar558><GVar559>0.</GVar559><GVar560>0.</GVar560><GVar561>0.</GVar561><GVar562>0.</GVar562><GVar563>0.</GVar563><GVar564>0.</GVar564><GVar565>0.</GVar565><GVar566>0.</GVar566><GVar567>0.</GVar567><GVar568>0.</GVar568><GVar569>0.</GVar569><GVar570>0.</GVar570><GVar571>0.</GVar571><GVar572>0.</GVar572><GVar573>0.</GVar573><GVar574>0.</GVar574><GVar575>0.</GVar575><GVar576>0.</GVar576><GVar577>0.</GVar577><GVar578>0.</GVar578><GVar579>0.</GVar579><GVar580>0.</GVar580><GVar581>0.</GVar581><GVar582>0.</GVar582><GVar583>0.</GVar583><GVar584>0.</GVar584><GVar585>0.</GVar585><GVar586>0.</GVar586><GVar587>0.</GVar587><GVar588>0.</GVar588><GVar589>0.</GVar589><GVar590>0.</GVar590><GVar591>0.</GVar591><GVar592>0.</GVar592><GVar593>0.</GVar593><GVar594>0.</GVar594><GVar595>0.</GVar595><GVar596>0.</GVar596><GVar597>0.</GVar597><GVar598>0.</GVar598><GVar599>0.</GVar599><GVar600>0.</GVar600></GCodeVar>-<Normals><Distance>0.</Distance><ZInhibit>0.</ZInhibit><Axis0>1.</Axis0><Axis1>1.</Axis1><Axis2>1.</Axis2><Axis3>0.</Axis3><Axis4>0.</Axis4><Axis5>0.</Axis5><Axis6>0.</Axis6><CV>2.</CV><XScale>1.</XScale><YScale>1.</YScale><ZScale>1.</ZScale><AScale>1.</AScale><BScale>1.</BScale><CScale>1.</CScale><OffLine>0.</OffLine><IJ>1.</IJ><RefX>1.</RefX><RefY>1.</RefY><RefZ>1.</RefZ><RefA>0.</RefA><RefB>0.</RefB><RefC>0.</RefC><System>1.</System><Rotation>0.</Rotation><Plane>1.</Plane></Normals>-<Mach3Mill><WPVB>500</WPVB><WPVT>100</WPVT><WPVL>50</WPVL><WPVR>400</WPVR></Mach3Mill>-<Control><Default>0</Default></Control></profile>
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What you really need to do is attach the xml and to do that have it named uniquely. So maybe something like hhr08A.xml would be fine, then if you needed to attach another at a later date you would maybe call it hhr08B.xml.
Hood
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here it is
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Well nothing obviously wrong in the configuration that I can see, fairly basic setup.
So the burning questions are
When the Axis goes off track do the Toolpath view and the DROs show the errant movement or do they show the axis on track with the code?
Does it always happen at the same point in the code?
Hood
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I will have to check the axis in the Tool Path view tomorrow. Nomally I am more concerned with stopping and trying to retract the bit after it happens---I will also check the G-code more carefully and the location and movement of the wiring. I have my limit switches setup in a loop and seperate Estop button setup on a different pin --motor wires are seperated from all others--I will also look at wire connectons to the drives and BOB.
Also do you know of a good GCode Editor and Filter for checking G Codes.
Will let you know the results.
Thanks
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a little late but in answer to your burning question" When the Axis goes off track do the Toolpath view and the DROs show the errant movement or do they show the axis on track with the code?**********the display or tool path shows every thing on track
Does it always happen at the same point in the code?******** No
I had previously ran the entire code in "air mode" with seemingly no problems, but in machine mode the project was about 80 percent complete and then Y axis went off tack (no hole to chinia) -------stopped the project and tried to zero and it would not zero back to its correct location.
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Problem would seem to be hardware related then as Mach gets the info for DROs and Toolpath from the pulses it puts out.
Hood