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I don't reference anything!

One MUST understand the basics of CNC. I know where your coming from.
Using a cnc machine in that fashion is like driving a car in the dark with no lights.

RICH

 

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How do you reference your machine, set home position, and define where the part is away from home?

Here is what I basicly do to set up for a job with no switches , front tool post being used:

1. Set Machine Coordinates 0,0 and home to the same location. That location is based on using the master tool and
   far enough away from the stock for a change of the longest tool, but minimizing the travel from home to
   the stock. So Machine coordinates 0,0, home position, and tool change location are the same.
   Note that those locations are relative to the master tools controlled point.    KISS !

2.Define where the stock is. A G54 work offset is created which is the distance from home to the stock.

All GCODE for part machining is based on the parts center line and end / face of the stock. Thus the parts location
is just the G54 work offset from home. If you look at the first few lines of code you will see that the first move
is always from home to the parts first path.

Be home when you open the wizard and I also set G76 set to G32 code output so I can monitor the pathing.

Must note that I use a custom screen set and probing is done to automate most of the above.

FWIW,

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: G31 is sometimes moving the wrong axis.
« on: June 29, 2017, 08:16:17 AM »
Version 066 has been reported to be buggy and not recommended by many users.
Try .062 and see if it behaves the same way.

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: steppers nocking
« on: June 28, 2017, 07:59:56 AM »
Post the info requested in  reply #2.

The knocking sound you hear "may" be caused by a poor pulse signal coming from the parallel port / computer.
You would need to look at the signal with a o'scope to see it. My experience was "ringing"  on the pulse signal.
There is NOTHING you can do about it, conditioning, etc., etc. other than use an external motion controller.

RICH



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General Mach Discussion / Re: Incorrect Z-Axis zero/home position
« on: June 25, 2017, 09:17:57 PM »
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Can you tell me the type of indicator you use?

Made by TOHNICHI - model BTG120Z-S - 10-120 IN OZ.
Has 3 jaw chuck,easy to use and listed  for $550 some time ago.There are probable others,
but, I got it for cheap. You can use a torque wrench, beam type ( for ounces ), or small 1/4 drive
torque wrenches ( in pounds) for low torque values but they are not as sensitive as an actual measuring
gauge and everything should be calibrated.

A few of the tings things made for bikes in the past.

http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,6188.0.html
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,6189.0.html
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,6187.0.html

Have Fun,

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Incorrect Z-Axis zero/home position
« on: June 23, 2017, 08:24:35 AM »
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My only concern with this rigid coupler is of course any radial alignment issues that would not be compensated for.

Idealy the Z axis components should be parrallel to the rails and perpendicular to the X Y surface.

Just need to play some with the mounting of the z components.

Motor mounted first, install coupling with support loose, ball nut loose / not attached to plate.Now tighten support. Check how
perpendicular the screw is to the X y. Rotate the screw by hand using the motors shaft (attached old coupling
to the motor shaft to make turning the screw easier). Check runout of of screw at the end. Move end of screw half of runout and tighten the screw nut. Loosen support and re tighten. Attach motor. Should be darn close to being alligned.

You can  work top down or bottom up or even work out from the middle.

Writing this is like try to tell someone how to tie their shoes!

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How I do it for a short rather rigid axis alignnment:

I use  torque indicators and they are very accurate.

1.Preload the support bearing. Check torque with nut finger tighting of nut.
  Continue tightening to add preload and check torque. As preload increases the
  torque required to turn the bearing increases. If the motor is say 100 in/oz
  you don't want to use up 50% of you motor torque. You want to minimize the torque
  and also have min axial play. Axial play results in backlash.
  There is no such thing as no backlash.
  Total backlash is the sum of each components backlash.
  If you isolate a component you can measure it's backlash.
  Note both the torque setting and the backlash at that setting.

2. Measure torque required to turn the nut. Note it and measure any backlash.
 

2.The support bearing is installed / mounted  and rather closely alligned to other axes.

3.The nut is installed / mounted.
  You will find the torque ( nut + support) is very close when the nut is located at the
  end, middle, and close to the support if installed correctly. Note any increase in torque.
  The increase will be due to axial misalignment and whatever attached load is being moved
  due to friction and weight.

4.Install the end support when the nut is close to to the end support. If fixed type do step
 #1 for it,but, usualy it is not.
 
5.Check total torque when axis is near fixed support, middle, and at end of longest  travel
  near the other support. All torques should add up to individual torques.

6. Re calibrate axis after motor is attached.

Now nothing is ideal, for instance, the screw may be not be straight. So you need to tweak
each component along the axis travel.In the case of a vertical installation it may just right
but the axis travel is not parrallel to another axis.ETC!

In the end one will have minimised backlash and the torque to move the axis having a
a positive affect relative to velocity, acceleration, and repeatability and component wear.

There are other way to do things.......and surely I missed something......

FWIW  ;)

RICH

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Works in progress / Re: Screenset for my touch screen
« on: June 22, 2017, 07:22:46 PM »
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I have been looking around forum for a bit now and wondered if the guy called hood is on YouTube.

Robin / Hood has a number of posts on YOuTube.   ;)
Would not be surprised if he replied to this reply.  ;D
He gets lost in the forest sometimes. ::)
RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Incorrect Z-Axis zero/home position
« on: June 22, 2017, 07:18:39 PM »
Glad you got it fixed. The coupler you made is fine and two set screws are better than one.
I would suggest that you put / file  a small flat on the motor and screw shaft
as the set screws will mark the them making it hard to pull the coupler off.
Just use the new couplerand nothing else is required to be done.

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You said you were using custom ones with just Belleville washers as safety relief?

No, mine are plain Janes just like yours. The washer comment pertains to the
motor ( if you ever take an old one apart you will see the washers to keep the stater
in place.

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I feel it's probably best to have some type of give for those "oh sh*t...." moments that may occur
if Mach3 goes sideways.

Any force up is taken up by the support bearing so would not worry it.



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so I can deliver you some whisky/wine/beer/chocolate/centerfinders....

Thanks for the offer, but we moderators are highly compensated. ;)

RICH  

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Incorrect Z-Axis zero/home position
« on: June 22, 2017, 11:17:06 AM »
Just make a solid simple coupling to test and  eliminate that part as a culprit.

You have a fixed support, BUT, still do a check for any movement per last reply. May have some play and will know how much it
is contributing if any.

RICH

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Incorrect Z-Axis zero/home position
« on: June 22, 2017, 07:46:14 AM »
By Oldham style I assume you mean just a solid piece with a bore and set screws to
attach / lock to the shafts. That is fine and easy to do.

I can't tell what type support you have on the Z. Basically there are two types, fixed and support.
If it is just a support type then there will be axial play since the screw is NOT fixed at that end.
Do you have info on the support?

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Remove the motor and coupling. Put an indicator on the end of the screw above the support.
Push up on the Z carriage assembly and note the movement. Make sure you are not lifting the x /y  linear slide from the rail.
If it is  a fixed type and preloaded you would have
very little movement ( ie; 0.0001" to .0004")

For now,

RICH

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