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General Mach Discussion / Re: Need help with choice of stepper motor.
« on: July 04, 2007, 02:35:38 PM »
And the motor arrived today at 12.25pm - excellent service.

Jim Pinder

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Need help with choice of stepper motor.
« on: July 03, 2007, 05:32:00 AM »
Thanks a lot - had a look at their site - selected a 220Ncm motor and bought one - it should work, it looks a lot bigger than the one I have got. The price was quite reasonable at £40. The chap was very helpful on the phone and more or less guaranteed it would work.

I can still use the present driver card with it as well.


Jim Pinder

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General Mach Discussion / Re: about Z depth
« on: July 02, 2007, 03:19:49 PM »
The only thing I can think of is to plot the co-ordinates of the area to be cut with a plotter, transfer these to your cnc and reduce the height by whatever you want the depth of cut. I did see a plotting machine at an engineering exhibition a few months ago so they are out there, but what they cost, I have no idea. I would imagine the programs will be compatible with G code, however.

You are probably doing this manually at the moment - hence you say, the result are a little imprecise. The ones I saw were accurate to a thousand of an inch, and could be programmed to make as many plots as you wanted within a given area.

Jim Pinder

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General Mach Discussion / Re: What about the Virus at Mach pc??
« on: July 02, 2007, 02:56:21 PM »
I can recommend AVG professional - which I have installed on all the machines in my network, together with Microsoft defender. You can set them to do their checking whilst you are asleep and you will never notice them.

The only problem with AVG is that it is a little invasive, in that it keep checking for updates etc when you are connected to the web.

The easy way to avoid that is to take the dongle out when you are machining.

I haven't had a virus or spyware for a couple of years now.

Jim Pinder

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General Mach Discussion / Need help with choice of stepper motor.
« on: July 02, 2007, 02:36:51 PM »
I have tried fitting a stepper to my lathe, but it clearly is not strong enough, because it keeps slipping. The problem is I am a dunce when it comes to Nm or whatever the torque rating of steppers is - and there is no label on my present motor to show what power that is, or I could work from that.

I have a Warco lathe (with a milling head attachment) WMT200. It has a 5 inch throw (ie will turn just under 10 inches) and an 18" bed.
I use it for turning steel.

Has anybody any idea what size of stepper I should be looking for - ie Frame size and torque or whatever.  I have 24 volt supply available. I think my present motor is a Nema 23 frame - so if I can get one it will fit my present attachment (although making another one is no bother).

I have had Mach3 working on my daughters Toshiba laptop - and it seems to work very well - it better do, I have said I will buy it from her. I have checked the movement of the motor (step per inch and backlash) and got very good results. The only thing seems to be my small motor.

I am based in Wakefield, West Yorks - if anybody can tell me of a stockist that is reasonably sympathetic that I can try.

Jim Pinder

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General Mach Discussion / Re: getting started cnc
« on: July 02, 2007, 02:25:32 PM »
Further to my last -

I got the belt and tried the motor driving the x axis. It moved, but the motor kept slipping now and then, which clearly is no good for accurate work - so I will have to get a bigger motor. (see my new post) I did learn a lot, though, including adding for back lash, checking the number of steps for a given distance and many little things which help my understanding of the set-up.

Have a go !!

Jim.

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General Mach Discussion / Re: getting started cnc
« on: July 02, 2007, 04:08:48 AM »
Your question was where to start ???

I think the thing to do is download Mach3 first into a computer - do not worry which one. I assume you already have a lathe - although you do not say how big it is. I dont how big the ducks are that you are calling. Have a look at Mach 3 turn and go through the tutorial videos and try and relate the videos to Mach 3. You should try and understand how all the bits work in relation to the lathe, and identify most of the features that you use on the lathe and try and uderstand where you can benefit with CNC.

Once you have done that, the only two things that you have to bother about is - the speed of the lathe spindle and - driving the axies. I use my lathe for metal work - miniature railway parts - so speed control was a feature I would like to work. I got hold of an Omron single to 3 phase inverter and a three phase motor from my brother in law. This controls the spindle speed, although I might have a bit of trouble hooking it up to the computer, because the Omron is an old model and not really designed for it.(£20 the pair)

The other problem is the stepper drivers for the lathe axies - how big do they want to be, and although you can read the spec of them you have no idea what that means in terms of performance, because I have no idea what a Mn or Nm is. I bought a stepper driver from a shop on e_bay and hooked it up to a stepper motor I had in a kit I bough some time ago. (I would has used the original driver but it was a serial output instead of the parrallel output that Mach3 needs), and I have fastened it on the lathe cross slide, driving the cross slide spindle through a 5 - 1 reduction set of toothed pulleys. This seemed to be the simplest way to start.

I got an old printer cable and cut it in half and made a board out of copper clad to access all the wires out of the plug, identifying each with a multi meter and then linked this to the stepper driver. I am driving the stepper driver with a pair of 12 volt (i.e. 24 volt) batteries from my mothers old wheelchair ( She said it wasn't fast enough and insisted on buying a pair of new ones - so I got the old ones - ideal for experimentation). I hooked all this up on the workbench and tested it. I fastened the stepper motor to the driver (which wants to be well out of the way of the lathe) with a length of four core 10 amp speaker wire and a lockable plug and socket so I can take the computer in and out of the workshop as I need it.

I tested the stepper motor on the workbench, fastened to the computer, running Mach 3, and using one of the macros already in Mach 3 and watched it gaily rotating backwards and forwards as it followed the G code program. You can alter the parameters and watch the motor respond, which helps in the understanding of the program. I felt very satisfied.

So far my outlay has been about £50 ($100).

I am getting a toothed belt from the manufacturers today to connect the motor to my lathe cross slide, so I should be able to test wether this motor has the power to drive it - if it has all is well, if it hasn't I have been looking on the net for another motor and seem to have found one that is twice the power of this one, for about £20 - but I can use the same driver - and if that one a too small, then I will have to take the plunge and buy a bigger motor - but I will also need a bigger driver!!!

Once I get the basics right, I will bother about the right computer, the right limit switches and all the other bits and pieces - the lathe has a milling attachment - so I can have a go at that as well.

I got the bug by going to a local CNC workshop for wheels and axles for the railway ( I bought 160 wheels and 80 axles) he had them all done in two days to my spec - and all were identical - I can put any wheel on any axle - it is a perfect fit and leaves the 2 thou gap for the adhesive. He also cut, out of solid bar, a gearbox item that took me a full day to make - and charged me £6 (I got 50 of them) - this is a great increase in productivity - and if I can emulate that for some of the smaller items on my own lathe I will be very pleased.

Hope this gets you started.

Jim Pinder

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Computer OS to run Mach 3
« on: June 28, 2007, 03:02:09 AM »
Thanks Graham -

I'll watch for that. I hooked up the laptop top to my wireless lan last night, and downloaded Mach3 onto it. I downloaded a couple of turning files I had on the main computer, and ran them on the laptop with the stepper motors attached and they seemed to run alright. I should be ready to attached the motors to the lathe today - and we will see how we go on.  If I have to buy a second hand desktop then so be it.
Thanks again for the input.

Jim

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Computer OS to run Mach 3
« on: June 25, 2007, 09:08:34 AM »
Yhanks for the swift reply - in what way could they be a problem - processor speed or memory - or what???

Jim

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General Mach Discussion / Computer OS to run Mach 3
« on: June 25, 2007, 09:03:33 AM »
Will Mach3 run on  Windows 2000. I ask this because I can buy several laptops cheaply on e_Bay, but the cheaper ones run Windows 2000. I only need this to actually run the lathe, my development work will be done on my other desktop computer, and the programs transfered by Lan.

Jim.