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General Mach Discussion / Re: Centroid probe for mach3
« on: October 19, 2017, 05:04:32 AM »
Hi,
you don't need Mach4 either. It is very flexible which can result in some very neat solutions for your particular operations but it doesn't do anything
magic either. Mach3 will work perfectly well.

Have you ever done any contact probing? If you haven't go to YouTube and have a look. Spend no more than $2.50 and you're probing!

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Centroid probe for mach3
« on: October 19, 2017, 04:56:51 AM »
Hi,
a probe is just a very precise switch, a Reinshaw probe WILL work with Mach3 or Mach4.

You don't need a probe, just a way to insulate your workpiece/vice/jig from the frame of the machine. Don't make this hard or expensive for
yourself!

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Centroid probe for mach3
« on: October 19, 2017, 04:51:48 AM »
Hi Aegir,
a picture is worth a thousand words....

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Centroid probe for mach3
« on: October 19, 2017, 04:46:14 AM »
Hi,
very impressive work!

If you can isolate your vice/jig from the frame of the machine what you describe should be pretty easy.

I use Mach4 and have done so for nearly a year. A new probing module was released about 3-4 months ago and its way clever, I recommend you download it
and try it as a demo, it will give you some idea about the flexibility of probing.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Centroid probe for mach3
« on: October 19, 2017, 04:13:58 AM »
Hi,
I follow most of your description. If the vice is insulated from the bed/frame of the machine then the workpiece could be energised with a current
limited (5mA say) voltage that gets shorted down to earth when the tool tip touches it. That is sufficient for a probe.

If you use a probe such as in the link posted then you'll have to  remove from the spindle, fit the tool, touch off and start the cycle. Using the tool
requires the workpeice be energised and the tool tip earthed as it usually is via the collets and spindle. No shagging around mounting then demounting
probes and tools.

Craig

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Mach3 under Vista / Re: Mach3 under win10
« on: October 19, 2017, 03:05:02 AM »
Hi,
I believe your breakout board requires TWO power supplies. One you already have in place with the USB from the PC. You require a second
12-24V supply for the opto isolated outputs.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Centroid probe for mach3
« on: October 19, 2017, 02:50:43 AM »
Hi Aegir,
I'm Kiwi and so Homan Designs is near enuf to local for me too. I have some of Peters other products and I like them and he seems like a decent
bloke, and much as it pains me to admit it, for an Aussie!

All that you really need for a probe is a closing contact, it doesn't need to be very sophisticated. I suspect if you just have a couple of wires and alligator
clips and experiment a wee bit with getting reliable contact closure as evidenced by the Probe LED in Machs Diagnostics screen you find that you can
do equally well without the fancy probe. That was the upshot of what Rich and Roger were saying and they're right.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: First startup motors not running
« on: October 19, 2017, 02:39:39 AM »
Hi John,
I think there is some confusion about limits and homes. Limit switches are at the end of each axis and the principle reason for them is to stop the machine
from banging into the endstop and wrecking itself. Home switches are to reference your machine at the start of your session.

It is quite common to use the limit switches as home switches temporarily at the beginning of the session while you reference your machine. During that time
the limit switches have to be ignored and treated differently. Once homing (referencing) is complete then they go back to being limit switches.
To be perfectly honest I think this idea of 'double duty switches' just to save a few bucks and/or a few Mach inputs is a disaster waiting to happen.

The common way to wire your limit switches is to have all six switches in series with normally closed contacts. If any one of the switches opens the machine
Estops. The machine can't tell which switch opened just that one has. You can then hit  <limit override> and back off the offending axis , remembering
that while you do so Mach can't stop you from making a mistake, if you go the wrong way you may make the situation worse. So while this method has its
disadvantages it does only require one Mach input pin.

If you wish to do the 'double duty' home switch thing....hit <ref axis> and that axis will drive in the nominated direction at the nominated speed until the limit
switch string goes open circuit, then it will back off until the switch closes and reset the machine co-ords commonly to zero but you can nominate any number,
the 'home offset', that you like. It does not mean that it drives to that location. So while homing the one input pin is treated differently and you have no limit
protection at all. This has caused innumerable crashes over the years.

I prefer to have three homes switches in addition to the six limit switches. I also prefer that each home switch have a dedicated input pin. Given that
a parallel port only has 5 input pins you are going to run out. You need a second port, now you can have not only another 5 inputs but you can assign
pins 2-9 as inputs also rather than their more normal use as outputs so the second port gives you an extra 13 inputs. Highly recommended. With all these
inputs you don't have to compromise, the limit switches ALWAYS are limits and HOMES are only ever home switches. Further than that it means you home
switches can be really nice microswitches which give repeatable and accurate homing which is a real boon to your machining operations.

If you are prepared to stump up the bucks for a PCI to parallel card and another breakout board you will make a big advance it what you can achieve and reduce
the chances of confusion which result in crashes.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: Centroid probe for mach3
« on: October 19, 2017, 01:57:17 AM »
Hi,
I asked the same question about a similar type of probe in a thread a while back and Rich and Roger came back with some interesting comments.
The upshot is that I didn't bother buying one. The thread is:

http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,35518.0.html

Craig

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