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Mach Screens / Re: Saving Button Script - .set or .m1s?
« on: May 17, 2020, 03:18:28 PM »
Hi,

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noticed actual increases if you save scripts as .mcc files instead of m1c?

.mcc files are compiles lua chunks and are applicable in Mach4 only.

Craig

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Hi,
I've had a P1A for six years, first with Mach3 then about five years ago swapped to Mach4.

At that time the VistaCNC Mach4 plugin was not particularly straight forward but I did get it to go
and its performed flawlessly ever since. Money well spent.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: External Motion Controllers.
« on: May 14, 2020, 05:08:38 PM »
Hi,

GRBL hardware is not applicable to Mach4.

An external motion controller, any external motion controller, requires a plugin that adapts the hardware to Mach4.
For instance the Mach4 trajectory planner produces numeric P(osition) V(elocity) over T(ime) data. The plugin digests that
data and translates that data to the hardware signals required for the controller to produce the pulse streams which in turn
control the axis motors.

The software plugin is therefore an absolutely critical and technically demanding piece of software and as such represents a huge
investment on the behalf of the hardware manufacturer. Note also that the plugin is applicable to that hardware controller alone,
as every controller differs thus an ESS plugin will be of no value to your GRBL hardware.

In order to craft a plugin requires an in depth knowledge of the internal workings of Mach4. As such anyone wanting to produce
a plugin for any piece of hardware, be it a motion controller or a pendant or bespoke communication unit, is advised to sign
a N(on) D(isclosure) A(greement) with NFS to get the required inside knowledge. Note that NFS are generally delighted that
someone should want to build a plugin, after all it benefits the uptake of Mach4 and thereby NFS's bottom line. Having said that
neither are they interested in distributing proprietary information about their product (Mach4) to all and sundry, serious players
need only apply.

At the current time there are six (seven if you include XHC, a dodgy Chinese made controller supposedly Mach4 capable) manufacturers
of external motion controllers that have an operable Mach4 plugin. Four of them are considered 'value end of the market'......with various
models of controllers ranging from $120 to $250, with various features and capabilities. They are:
1) Warp9 TD, the Ethernet SmoothStepper (ESS) is the model of choice
2)PMDX, the PMDX-411 and PMDX-424 are the models of choice
3)CNCDrive, the UC300, UC400 and UC100 are the models of choice
4)PoKeys, the 57CNC and 57CNCdb25 are the models of choice

I personally use the ESS, it has arguably the best suite of realtime supports of any Mach4 external motion controller on the market at the current time.

As an example of the investment you might consider if you wanted to switch to Mach4Hobby:

Mach4Hobbly license                   $200
ESS                                           $180
MB3 breakout board                    $180

Note that I allowed an MB3 breakout board, perhaps the most expensive board matched to the ESS but arguably the best developed
and high quality board.

Of the different boards from different manufacturers, some of which require a breakout board and some that do not, the prices will vary form
perhaps as low as $320 up to about $460. Either way you need to consider these figures.

If my understanding is correct GRBL hardware has stepper drivers included? None of the motion controller/breakout board hardware I've
mentioned have any stepper drivers, they are separate units.

May I suggest downloading Mach4Hobby and experimenting with it. If you don't install a motion control plugin, but rather just stick
with the Sim(ulator) plugin (supplied) you can use Mach4 in Demo mode as long as you like. If you install a motion control plugin, Mach4
considers that you now have the ability to control hardware and that in Demo mode you have a time restricted use. For instance if you buy
an ESS and install the ESS plugin you can now control your machine but for a maximum of six minutes before you will be required to
re-start Mach4, at least until such times as you license Mach4.

Craig


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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 feature vs Mach3
« on: May 13, 2020, 03:57:41 AM »
Hi,

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Mach3 grew organically , Mach4 was designed.

That is a perfect desription....I'll use it.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: usb motion controller board
« on: May 13, 2020, 01:57:06 AM »
Hi,
the ongoing and repeating complaint about Chinese made motion control boards is lack of support.

The principle seems to be 'we've got your money ....so we don't care'.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach4 feature vs Mach3
« on: May 12, 2020, 09:15:55 PM »
Hi,

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Whew...  I feel a bit like Bubba telling Forest what all you can do with shrimp.  :)

Kool Steve, this is exactly the sort of material that new or potential new users need to see.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach 4 and 5 Axis CNC
« on: May 12, 2020, 04:49:36 PM »
Hi,
I find it hard to recommend Clearpath, its not because of quality, support and documentation, all of which is very good.

Its price and IO.

For a given sum of money a DMM or Delta servo can be had that has twice the power of a Clearpath.

The Clearpath has a built in driver which you may consider an advantage however you lose IO capability.

My Delta servos for instance can have (programmable) three alarms say, for example 'following error', 'overheat', 'overvoltage' and can have two analogue
outputs, say rpm and current. Additionally I can have digital input/inputs which select the mode, for example position verses velocity mode.

Clerapath have elected to make a device that is a 'drop in replacement' for a stepper motor and have done a good job, but has cost a great deal of
flexibility, and especially IO, and a hefty price increase.

I would do your research thoroughly before getting steppers. Yes, steppers are cheaper, but thats only the initial purchase. Good AC servos will last twenty plus years
and have the flexibility of control to survive generations of students and ever increasing demands made of the machine.

Craig

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General Mach Discussion / Re: cant get computer to talk to mach 3
« on: May 11, 2020, 11:50:33 PM »
Hi,
you haven't provided much information.

You say you are using USB....what USB board specifically?

I presume that it is a USB motion controller, if so you have the USB controller plugin installed and selected as motion controller?

Craig

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Hi,

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So would you call this a "bug" since it doesn't actually represent the actual value even though the underlying value is actually changing?

No, I don't consider it a bug at all. Its a graphic representation of a speed vs time diagram, no more, no less.

As I said my servo will cause my axis to accelerate up to max speed (15m/min) in 90 ms at which time it will be travelling at 250 mm/s. Clearly
it will have to decelerate and stop in short order so as not to overrun an axis of 350mm. The speed vs time graph does not include any limitation
due to finite axis length, nor is it required IMO.

Craig

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Mach4 General Discussion / Re: Mach 4 and 5 Axis CNC
« on: May 11, 2020, 06:50:22 PM »
Hi,
depending on your budget you might consider AC servos. There are some very cheap Chinese made AC servos but of questionable quality, support and documentation.

Delta (Taiwanese manufactured in China) and DMM (Canadian manufactured in China) are two good quality brands that won't break the bank.

Any decent AC servo of sufficient power will blow ANY stepper into the weeds. They have very generous overload ratings, typically three to four times their rated torque.

As an example I have a 400W B2 series Delta servo. It has a native 160,000 count per rev encoder, 1.27Nm rated, 3.8Nm 10 sec overload at 3000rpm rated or 5000rpm max.
The driver takes 230VAC single phase input, ie no power supply required. The programmable drive has an overwhelming multitude of control modes which makes them superbly
flexible for just about any machine for any purpose. The servo/drive/cables/shipping to the US will cost about $380 from various EBay suppliers.

Most steppers will not make 1000 rpm, the loss of torque will mean they lose steps or stall before they reach 1000 rpm. A servo has a flat torque characteristic to rated
speed, often 3000 rpm or higher.

You might be able to represent to your professor that equipping with servos IS THE  industrial solution and that your project would best prepare you for real world solutions
that servos are vastly preferred over steppers.

A slightly cheaper alternative to AC servos are closed loop steppers. You will no doubt see plenty of offerings. They are intermediately priced between servos and
open loop steppers.

The manufacturers will claim that they are faster, more powerful, never lose steps.......all pure BS. As I said above all steppers lose torque as speed increases,
a closed loop stepper is no different. A stepper will only ever lose a step if its overloaded by either excess load or the speed at which its being asked to operate at.
A closed loop driver will insert an extra step to try to 'catch up', but guess what.....the extra step suffers the same fate, it gets lost because the stepper is overloaded.

Closed loop steppers do have two advantages, namely interpolation between steps for increased resolution, and following error alarms. These advantages are bought at
a significant price increase over open loop steppers. Any well specified open loop stepper used within its limitations will never lose a step an so my recomendation
is either:
1) Open loop steppers of lowest possible inductance with highest possible voltage drivers and power supply....or
2) AC servos

Don't mess with Mr. InBetween, closed loop steppers.

Craig

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