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Mach Discussion => General Mach Discussion => Topic started by: Pysiek on March 25, 2013, 11:14:17 AM
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I have same problem. But my board is C10 - Bidirectional Breakout Board and the drivers are KL-4030. I turn on everything motors locks but can't get any movement.
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Hi Kris,
Welcome to the forum.
Check if you have 5V & EN (on the C10) and CW & CP+ (on the KL-4030) all connected to +5 Volts.
Also that you have a common GND connection between GND (on the C10) and GND (on the KL-4030).
Tweakie.
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C10 board
5V and EN connected to 5V. Also the LED light is on.
KL-4030 driver
CW & CP+ what is that? I can't find it on my drivers
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This diagram is probably the best explanation http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/08/KL-4030WithC10.pdf
Tweakie.
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I used that diagram and that's how I connect everything
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Have you tried enableing sherline half step mode in the config, ports and pins, port set up page?
Brett
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No. I will try it and let you know
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I tried it and it still don't work. I have connected Emergency Button and its not working either. Is it possible that I have connected the master switch incorrectly and it won't work? The led is illuminated red when I turn on the power. But when I push in the master switch nothing happens
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Yup, I would say its possible. I would try one thing at the time. Get the board powered up and move on form there. Just take little bites. Next, get the estop working, then add some inputs if you are useing any, then your outputs to the drives, then your other outputs. Is the cable your useing from you parallel port a straight thru?
Brett
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Is the cable your useing from you parallel port a straight thru?
Yes. I purchase the cable from automationtechnologiesinc .
How to check if I powered everything up if the "master switch" is working correctly?
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Put one lead of your meter on the GND terminal of the power connector and the other lead to the EN terminal of the power connector. With the switch on you should get 5 volts. With it off, you should get nothing. Or, take the switch out of the circuit and test it for contunity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQ0X1LRhpg
Brett
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Got 5V. What's next :-) ?
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I'm sorry I got 4V
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When I go to "Diagnostics" in Mach3 there I can see there 1 of the 24 pins illuminated green and when I press or pull the emergency button it goes on and off.
Also when I go to Input and Output signal everything is red crossed except the emergency button
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Emergency button working!!! But it turn on when I pull the button instead when I press it.
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Change the active state of your estop or get a normally closed switch if the one you have now is normally opened.
Brett
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Once you have that sorted set up pins 2 and 3 for the x axis motor. Put your meter leads between pins 3 and the one to the left of it 5V/G and see if you get a reading. Try jogging the x axis in both directions with your meter in place. You should see your reading change when you change directions. Look at your x axis dros in machs run screen and see if it counts up and down as you jog in different directions (right and left arrow keys jog the x axis).
Brett
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I do see the reading change. But later I will check the X axis as per your instructions.
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When I put the reading pins to pin 2 & 3 and I try to jog the voltage reading jumps from 5.18 to 5.17-5.16
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Here is a screen of my "diagnostics" tab in mach3. Maybe it will tell you something. I took it when everything was on.ready to go.
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z142/krislizak/Public/DIY%20CNC%20Router/mach3screen_zps68e61c99.jpg)
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I'm by the machine right now so if somebody can help I will answer right away
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When I put the reading pins to pin 2 & 3 and I try to jog the voltage reading jumps from 5.18 to 5.17-5.16
Once you have that sorted set up pins 2 and 3 for the x axis motor. Put your meter leads between pins 3 and the one to the left of it 5V/G and see if you get a reading. Try jogging the x axis in both directions with your meter in place. You should see your reading change when you change directions. Look at your x axis dros in machs run screen and see if it counts up and down as you jog in different directions (right and left arrow keys jog the x axis).
Brett
I have sent you a PM
Brett
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I'm I wrote it wrong. I did put the leads between pins 3 and the 5V. And that was the reading
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Nothing Brett...I gave up :-(
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Pysiek,
I take it that you do have a good and stable (regulated) 5 Volt supply connected to your C10 ??
Tweakie.
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Yes tweakie. I already check everything with meter
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How do I check if I did not connect the motor cables incorrectly?
On the wiring diagram it shows to use black,green,red and blue wires to connect the motors. But on my motors I have more that
http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/08/KL-4030WithC10.pdf (http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/08/KL-4030WithC10.pdf)
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How do I check if I did not connect the motor cables incorrectly?
If the C10 is enabled then the motors will 'lock' at system power-up.
(If you have not connected the motors correctly there is a danger of damaging the 4030)
Tweakie.
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I did check the wiring again right now and it looks like I did it correctly
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Used that wiring diagram to put the wires together: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/docs/schematics/KL-4030Wiring.pdf (http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/docs/schematics/KL-4030Wiring.pdf)
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I am sure you did the wiring correctly - looks like a thorough job in your pictures.
Tweakie.
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It's not a first time I did that so I believe it is correct. Send an email to Keling and see what they say.
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Tweakie, I'm guessing those en pins are enable do you know?
Brett
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Tweakie, I'm guessing those en pins are enable do you know?
Brett
In the manual it says that if those are left unconnected then the driver is enabled . http://www.kelinginc.net/KL-4030.pdf (http://www.kelinginc.net/KL-4030.pdf)
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One more thing. Is it possible that I have damaged the driver if I connect power and all the switches on the driver where in ON position(down)?
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No idea what 4 and 8 do as the manual doesnt mentinon them. :(
Wouldnt think the others would hurt........ 1,2,3 set microstepping option and 5,6,7 set the current. The curent needs to be set right but if you have not had any motion yet, don't think they could have been damaged but not certain.
Brett
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Okay. I'm going to do some work or my wife gonna put me in the basement. We will see what Keling Inc replies to me
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I doubt it is relevant in this case but this is typical of problems that can be encountered with some of the Chinese manufacturers product. http://www.phlatforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=9421
Tweakie.
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Nope. Didn't work
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I got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Followed these :
Rather, I'd suggest you check if it's communicating by bringing up mach and hitting the diagnostics screen. In there you can see all the port pins and if you short any of the 5 inputs to ground it should blink on and off as you do it. For example, take a pair of wires and connect to pin 13 and ground, touch them together and see if it lights up in mach. If it does, that's a clue that you are communicating with the port / cable / card.
From here: http://www.buildyourtools.com/forums/index.php?f=9&t=818&rb_v=viewtopic (http://www.buildyourtools.com/forums/index.php?f=9&t=818&rb_v=viewtopic)
And the problem was one of the jumpers on the breakout board. It have to be switched to be connected between 2-3 which mean COM=5V . Before it was connected between 1-2 which mean COM=GND
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The only weird thing it is right now that no matter if I press the master switch or leave it unpressed everything works fine. I thought if I release the master switch then nothing will work
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:)
Do you have to set up the master switch as an estop input?
Brett
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No. Estop is set up on different input.
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The C10 I am using came with a very small single strand wire installed as a jumper between the EN and GND terminals. If this connection is open, all outputs should be disabled.
Russ
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That's where I connect the master switch as per wiring diagram. But when I disconnect it it still moving the motors
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Remove everything from those 2 terminals and try it.
There could be something goofy with your switch or wiring.
Russ
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...really, just remove everything from the EN terminal.
There might be something else connected to and relying on the GND terminal.
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I will try that later after work.