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311  General CNC Chat / Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: Chiron FZ12 on its way sometime soon(ish) on: September 27, 2012, 03:47:18 AM
I think you're right. Just wasn't willing to mess with the motors. But looks like it would be much cheaper and eliminate another electronic board in the chain, reducing chances to further troubles.

I too often find international postage prices being irrational. Sellers often work with a single freight company and aren't willing to check other options even when it's obvious that the price they are being quoted is way exaggerated.

However, I googled for commutation encoders and came up with a much cheaper one from US Digital with technical specs same as the Renco:

http://usdigital.com/products/encoders/incremental/rotary/kit/EC35

And it's priced almost half the Renco, at $161.

Dan
312  Mach Discussion / General Mach Discussion / Re: Allen Bradely drives to Sanyo denki motors ? on: September 26, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
Using a scope to verify the phasing, like Hood suggested is the best way.

Dan
313  General CNC Chat / Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: Chiron FZ12 on its way sometime soon(ish) on: September 26, 2012, 02:49:33 PM
Hood,

On the previous subject of the resolvers on the motors, what is your opinion on using one of these:

http://www.vegacnc.com/html/vega2795502.htm

It's not cheap, but cheaper than replacing the motors I reckon. There are other vendors too offering such converters cheaper, but some have lower line count or miss the hall signals. This one has 8192 ppr, but from what you've shown, I am afraid that even this may not be sufficient to get good performance.

Dan
314  General CNC Chat / Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: Chiron FZ12 on its way sometime soon(ish) on: September 24, 2012, 01:49:52 PM
SCARY numbers! Shocked

Dan
315  Mach Discussion / General Mach Discussion / Re: Allen Bradely drives to Sanyo denki motors ? on: September 24, 2012, 01:45:33 PM
You've got Hood here, Terry Wink Can't think of someone with more experience with AB drives around here.

Dan
316  General CNC Chat / Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: Chiron FZ12 on its way sometime soon(ish) on: September 24, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
They are AC.

Serious beasts indeed at 220Amps... Sounds more like a TIG welding machine spec than a servo's  Shocked Continuous current was probably around 70Amps and hence the power in access of 6kW... WOW! Probably were high RPM and low torque.

Dan
317  General CNC Chat / Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: Chiron FZ12 on its way sometime soon(ish) on: September 24, 2012, 07:48:55 AM
I see. I have a 1990 Cincinnati Falcon lathe awaiting retrofit. Mechanically and cosmetically it's almost new despite its age. Problem with it is that the motors have resolvers, but keeping the original Kollmorgen drives is something I want to avoid as I heard they tend to fail. On the other hand getting rid of the motor is a shame as they are in an excellent condition.  Undecided

Dan
318  General CNC Chat / Show"N"Tell ( Your Machines) / Re: Chiron FZ12 on its way sometime soon(ish) on: September 24, 2012, 03:41:53 AM
Hood,

Doesn't really look so good, but I am sure it's going to be a great machine after your magic touch Wink

May I ask why you decided not to use the original motors? My guess is they have resolver feedback? Then why not use the original drives? Or their condition isn't good? Or you afraid of future failures with them?

Dan
319  Mach Discussion / General Mach Discussion / Re: Allen Bradely drives to Sanyo denki motors ? on: September 22, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
Hi Terry,

Open Ultra Master Help file and look for "Setting Ultra Master Advanced Mode". This will tell you how to access the advanced features of Ultra Master. Custom motor creating is one of them.

Dan
320  Mach Discussion / General Mach Discussion / Re: BT30 spindle from scratch - with power drawbar and ATC of course on: September 21, 2012, 10:27:41 AM
Regarding the sensors, the Chiron has them on the cylinders, there is a cylinder for each tool, each having a prox sensor top and bottom and then two more cylinders either side that lower and raise the basket.  It looks at first a very complex set up but  when you study it is actually quite simple and seems reliable as the only thing my friend has had to do in the 15 or so years he has had it is replace pipes as the originals started splitting.

Heres a vid of the style on the Chiron.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97KQ5DKSuNw
Hood

That's one cool tool changer. Definitely the fastest I have seen.

If the basket can't rotate then setup is not an easy task, trying to reach the tools on the rear.

Dan
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