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Title: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 03, 2018, 03:06:42 PM
Hello all,

It was brought to our attention today that a new Windows 10 update is causing problems with Mach3. Microsoft is certainly causing me a lot of headaches this past month, but I hope this post will save you from some. If Windows 10 wants to do a "feature update" to version 1803 do not let it. You want to stay on build 1709. If the update goes through and you find that Mach3 will not load beyond the splash screen, the update probably went through and you'll have to roll it back. It's an easy process but it is a bit time consuming. Go into your settings and find the Updates page. Click 'View installed update history' then 'Recovery options.' That sounds a bit dramatic; you're really just rolling back to a slightly older version of Windows 10. On the next screen, you'll have the option to restore Windows 10 to an older version. Agree to the prompts and then be prepared to wait while your system un-updates.

As always, we recommend running Mach3 without automatic updates and offline if at all possible. I'll keep you posted with any new information I might have.

Happy CNCing,
Bryanna

Update: There is a new Mach3 installer on our website (machsupport.com) that includes a patched version of .062 that corrects this issue. Install it over your previous version of Mach3, restart, and you should be back to normal. As always, I recommend backing up your profile, license, and any custom macros or screens--just in case.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 07, 2018, 10:15:32 AM
This is a basic video showing you how to roll back the Windows 10 feature update that is affecting Mach3: https://youtu.be/KKhve2qPPCU
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: fixittt on May 07, 2018, 06:31:59 PM
do we know if Mach3 uses Visual C++?  I am dreading this bomb as the company I tech for has hundreds of mach3 installs on windows 10
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: engraversoflight on May 08, 2018, 08:08:45 AM
Seems the best policy is still, no production rigs on the internet if at all possible.  I am still happily running Windows XP on a number of my machines.  No reason to do anything otherwise.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Osker on May 08, 2018, 09:02:15 AM
Is this update a problem for Mach4 users?
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 08, 2018, 09:05:21 AM
Is this update a problem for Mach4 users?

This feature update did not affect Mach4. Mach3 uses .dll files in its plugins and this new update made it so those types of files are no longer allowed. Mach4 was developed according to newer security standards and runs fine on Windows 10 version 1803.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Osker on May 08, 2018, 09:19:43 AM
Thanks.  Not doing Windows updatea is not a long term option for me.  This may be my reason to move to Mach4. 
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on May 08, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
Quote
Seems the best policy is still, no production rigs on the internet if at all possible.  I am still happily running Windows XP on a number of my machines.  No reason to do anything otherwise.

Me too !

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 08, 2018, 11:36:35 AM
Someone at CNC Zone did some testing and it appears that Mach3 still works in 32 bit versions of Windows 10. It may be only 64 bit versions where Mach3 no longer works.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 08, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
Someone at CNC Zone did some testing and it appears that Mach3 still works in 32 bit versions of Windows 10. It may be only 64 bit versions where Mach3 no longer works.

That's good to know! I don't know if we have any Windows 10 32 bit systems to test with, but I will find out and try it out. Thank you!
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: fixittt on May 08, 2018, 05:18:01 PM
does anyone know of a work around or patch by chance?
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 08, 2018, 09:24:28 PM
Yeah, don't let your Windows 10 update.
It looks like this is the end of the line for Mach3 on Windows 10 x64. Time to move to more modern software, if you need to run the latest version of Windows.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Bob La Londe on May 09, 2018, 09:34:27 AM
Is it possible that you can "unblock" the DLL files one by one?   
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Bob La Londe on May 09, 2018, 11:53:52 AM
I just allowed my house machine (not a CNC machine controller) to update Windows 10 to version 1803, and in fact Mach 3 no longer opens.  I did the basic compatibility testing and was unbale to get more than the basic Mach 3 splash screen, and then nothing.  Even XP compatibility mode did the same.  Nothing.

CamBam 1.0 still works long with all the plugins, so it may not be strictly a DLL file issue as all the plugins in CamBam are DLL files. 
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 09, 2018, 01:04:40 PM
It apparently still works on 32 bit versions of Windows 10.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 16, 2018, 12:22:05 PM
I updated my original post, but I wanted to reiterate here as well:

There is a new build of Mach3 3.043.062 on our website (machsupport.com) which includes a patch that fixes this issue. Install this version over your previous version, restart, and you should be back in business. As always, I recommend backing up your important Mach3 files: profile(s), license, and any custom macros or screens you may have. It's always better to err on the side of caution.

-Bryanna
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Vogavt on May 16, 2018, 10:18:10 PM
I thought Mach3 3.043.066 was the latest version??
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: joeaverage on May 17, 2018, 12:39:09 AM
Hi,
yes 066 was the latest but 062 was considered less buggy and has been recommended.
Looks like its had a wee tweak to accommodate the latest MS updates and so I believe is the 
first bit of work done on Mach3 for five years.

Craig
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on May 17, 2018, 01:34:23 AM
Hi Bryanna,

It may be helpful if you could post a link to the new build version 3.043.062.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 17, 2018, 06:33:59 AM
It's the one labeled 3.043 on the Mach3 downloads page. It's the only one available, I think. I've been told it includes 3.043.062, and a patch file.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on May 17, 2018, 06:52:10 AM
Thanks Gerry.

Tweakie.

Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 17, 2018, 08:02:43 AM
As requested, http://www.machsupport.com/software/downloads-updates/ . For anyone who prefers 3.043.066, it is still available on the FTP server but the patch was done with version 3.043.062.

All the best,
Bryanna
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 17, 2018, 08:09:28 AM
It would be nice if there was some info specifying that this is a patched version made to work with Windows 10 1803 or later, so people wouldn't be confused.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: mvcalypso on May 18, 2018, 12:31:40 PM
Hi,
It would be very nice if the patch was available for 3.43.66
I have many customers running that as the latest version of mach3 released.
There are bug fixes in 3.43.66 which are important and not available in 3.43.62 (I would be happy to provide a list of what at least some of these are if that info has been lost along the way).

I'd also like to recommend that newly patched versions of old releases be given an updated version number. Having multiple different versions of Mach3 that identify themselves as being the same is likely to lead to a support problem.

Dave

Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 18, 2018, 12:46:22 PM
I appreciate the recommendations, but the patch was developed on version 3.043.062 and there are not plans to create a patch for additional builds. Since the inclusion of the patch was the only change made, the version number has not been changed.

The recommendation has always been to use a dedicated, offline computer for Mach3, which protects the legacy software from update-related disruptions. If your Windows 10 computer has not updated to 1803, you can take it offline and continue using whichever build you'd prefer indefinitely.

-Bryanna
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 18, 2018, 12:49:35 PM
Quote
There are bug fixes in 3.43.66 which are important and not available in 3.43.62

Unfortunately, there are also several bugs present in .066 which makes it unusable for many, if not most, people. .062 does not have these bugs.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: mvcalypso on May 18, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
Brianna,

I would respectfully request that you reconsider this situation.

Here are some key Mach 3.43.66 features which are not available on 3.43.62

1) Mill: DRO 245 whihc displays the current H register value does not update in version prior to 3.43.66
With earlier version of mach, the DRO value is always be 0.

2) Lathe: The ability to set front/rear tool post was added in 3.43.66. Prior to 3.43.66 there were no Script APIs to get or set this tool attribute.

3) I have many customers using a popular product feature which depends on the SetInputData API call. AFAIK that API call does not exist prior to 3.43.66.

By not making the patch available for 3.43.66, users will be forced to give up currently working features in order to keep running mach3.



Ger21: We all know there are different bugs in each version of Mach3. I don't see the logic in saying that is a reason NOT to apply the patch to 3.43.66 - this is not an "exclusive or" situation.
It is quite reasonable to have patched versions of both 3.43.62 and 3.43.66 available. Having a patch 3.43.66 in no way implies that 3.43.62 can not be available. With both of the last two non-development releases available users can then choose which is best for their needs.  3.43.62 may be fine for some, but it not sufficient for all users.

Dave

Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 18, 2018, 01:12:31 PM
Quote
I don't see the logic in saying that is a reason NOT to apply the patch to 3.43.66

I never said that .066 shouldn't be patched. I was just pointing out that .062 is  used by a lot of people that .066 does not work for.

It appears that CNC Router Parts may have actually developed the patch, according to their CNC Zone post. They use the ESS, which recommends .062, which is why they patched that version.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bryannab on May 18, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
It appears that CNC Router Parts may have actually developed the patch, according to their CNC Zone post. They use the ESS, which recommends .062, which is why they patched that version.

You are correct. CNC Router Parts contacted us with an offer to share the patch they had created and make it available to everyone. Mach3 is no longer in development and our team is focused solely on Mach4--which has been the case for several years.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: mvcalypso on May 18, 2018, 01:35:41 PM
It appears that CNC Router Parts may have actually developed the patch, according to their CNC Zone post. They use the ESS, which recommends .062, which is why they patched that version.

You are correct. CNC Router Parts contacted us with an offer to share the patch they had created and make it available to everyone. Mach3 is no longer in development and our team is focused solely on Mach4--which has been the case for several years.

The CNC zone thread says that CNC router parts is working with Artsoft to release the patch. So I was thinking that Artsoft was applying the fix to mach3 and releasing an updated version.
Is this literally a binary patch of the compiled mach3.exe file for 3.43.62?  

Dave
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ih8vols on May 26, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
It looks like this is the end of the line for Mach3 on Windows 10 x64. Time to move to more modern software, if you need to run the latest version of Windows.

Perhaps you should stop selling Mach3 on your site if that's the case. I just bought the program less than 6 months ago. Seeing this comment and the fact that there is no upgrade price from 3 to 4 really pisses me off. Very poor customer service.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: joeaverage on May 27, 2018, 12:42:16 AM
Hi,

Quote
Perhaps you should stop selling Mach3 on your site if that's the case. I just bought the program less than 6 months ago
Firstly prehaps you didn't read to closely....there is a patch.
Secondly the reason that Mach3 stopped working on Windows 10 was an update from Microsoft...are you expecting NFS to be clairvoyant?
Thirdly this affects ONLY Windows 10. If you are using a different version no fault...no foul.
Lastly it has always been the recommendation of both NFS and many experienced users DO NOT CONNECT YOUR MACH PC TO THE INTERNET.

All development on Mach3 ceased five years ago...eventually some problem is going to come along and render it unusable. The expectation that it
will work forever is not realistic.

Quote
Seeing this comment and the fact that there is no upgrade price from 3 to 4
Mach4 is a totally new program.  I commend you download it and run the Sim(ulator) plugin, free for as long as you like. You will come to understand how
different it is from Mach3. Heaven only knows how many man hours NFS has invested in writing this new program...'is the workman worth his hire?'

Craig
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 27, 2018, 08:55:47 AM
It looks like this is the end of the line for Mach3 on Windows 10 x64. Time to move to more modern software, if you need to run the latest version of Windows.

Perhaps you should stop selling Mach3 on your site if that's the case. I just bought the program less than 6 months ago. Seeing this comment and the fact that there is no upgrade price from 3 to 4 really pisses me off. Very poor customer service.

I don't work for Artsoft, and don't sell Mach3.

And if you read my post after the one you quoted, Mach3 does still work without the patch on 32 bit versions of Windows 10. Some have reported that the patch is not required if you update Windows 10 before installing Mach3.


Mach4 has been available for 3 years. You should do more research before making purchases.
Over the years, I've seen hundreds of people regret the uninformed CNC purchases they've made, both with hardware and software.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chrisjh on May 30, 2018, 01:24:06 PM
After many years of reliable service from Mach3 on my CNC mill and lathe using Win10, the latest update to Win10 stopped me dead!!  I use a USB Smoothstepper on the lathe, and an ESS Smoothstepper on the mill.

I have been using Mach3 Version 56 for years and, it has served me reliably in my situation.

I installed Mach3 version 62 after reading this topic, and have managed to get the mill and lathe working again.  However my office computers will not work.  I use these to simulate and test new posted G Code before going out to my workshop.  I was mystified until I realized that the workshop computers were 32 bit and the office computers were 64 bit.

Is it possible to emulate 32 bit on a 64 bit machine?  I don't want to revert Win10 my office machines to the previous version, as I use them for many other modern tasks.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on May 30, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
Install version 3.043.062 and the patch found here.
https://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc-router-parts/360698-cnc-2.html
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chrisjh on May 30, 2018, 01:55:31 PM
Install version 3.043.062 and the patch found here.
https://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc-router-parts/360698-cnc-2.html


Gerry,

Thank you, Thank You, Thank You.

You and the guys at CRC are life savers!!

Regards

Chrisjh
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: 01sporty on June 13, 2018, 07:02:23 PM
I did a thorough uninstall and re-install of Mach3 and that worked for me.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: jdougn on June 14, 2018, 11:17:26 PM
Unknowingly allowed the Windows 10 Updates and as you all know, Mach3 quit loading. Came here and quickly found the answer and the solution. Thanks bryannab ger21 and others for the updated download and information.
Doug
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: mildav49 on June 29, 2018, 03:34:02 PM
I was able to launch and run Mach 3 on Windows 10 in early 2017. However once I really started to use Mach3 (the last couple weeks) I cannot even launch Mach3 on windows 10. Is Mach3 in Visual C++ and can it be manipulated so that it can run on the newest version of Windows 10?
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: efrenhurtado835 on June 30, 2018, 12:26:57 AM
SO DOES MACH4 WORKS WITH THE SAME CONTROLER AS MARCH3?
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: joeaverage on June 30, 2018, 12:59:05 AM
Hi,
at the current time there are about six manufacturers of external motion controllers that work with Mach4, that is to say thaey have a plugin that
is compatible with Mach4 and their board. Most of thise boards also have a plugin for Mach3  as well. If you are lucky enough to have one of
those boards then 'yes the same controller will work with either Mach3 OR mMach4'. If you have a yet different
controller then 'no, your Mach3 controller cannot be used with Mach4'

Craig
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: jnantel on June 30, 2018, 08:42:55 PM
Bryannab mention a patch .062 to be find in macsuppot.com as a new installer. I can not find it. Where is this new installer? I have been affected by the last update of window 10.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on July 01, 2018, 01:20:51 AM
Bryannab mention a patch .062 to be find in macsuppot.com as a new installer. I can not find it. Where is this new installer? I have been affected by the last update of window 10.

http://www.machsupport.com/software/downloads-updates/

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: jnantel on July 01, 2018, 04:23:38 AM
In that section ,I don't see a new installer .062 ?
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on July 01, 2018, 06:43:33 AM
Just to confuse you (& me) the Mach3 installer has been called R3.043 (it is a modified version of the original R3.043.062)
Install this version of Mach3 over the top of your existing installation.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: jnantel on July 01, 2018, 11:51:48 AM
Thank you Tweakie. I'll try that.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: wmgeorge on July 24, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
Even my Windows 7 computers, none ever are allowed to update.  I feel sorry for you folks who switched to Windows 10. I have Nortons for virus control updating and that's it.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ger21 on July 24, 2018, 01:58:30 PM
Quote
I feel sorry for you folks who switched to Windows 10.
Don't, as we're far better off than those stuck in the past.  ;D
And using Norton is far worse than anything in Windows.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Shurtz on August 16, 2018, 08:34:47 AM
You tell them, Ger21. We're not stuck in the past, we're just stuck trying to get our stuff to work. That's all. lol
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 05, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
 With this new Mach3 patch, R3.043,  does anyone know if M10 and M11 still work ?

 I’m trying to use M10 and M11 To control my laser power and it does not seem to be working.

I am using a CNC4PC 62  BOB board  and cannot get a output   Signal from Port 1  pin 15 or Port 2 pin 11 on the Rj45-8  output.


 Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on September 05, 2018, 10:58:59 AM
With this new Mach3 patch, R3.043,  does anyone know if M10 and M11 still work ?

 I’m trying to use M10 and M11 To control my laser power and it does not seem to be working.

I am using a CNC4PC 62  BOB board  and cannot get a output   Signal from Port 1  pin 15 or Port 2 pin 11 on the Rj45-8  output.


 Chuck

Hi Chuck,

M10Px/M11Px still work OK with the R3.043.062 version.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 05, 2018, 11:13:43 AM
 Thanks Tweakie,

I must be doing Something wrong. 

In MDI mode I’m entering “M10P11 and M11P11  with no voltage output signal change

 In the pins and ports I do have the output number 1 configured to pin 11.

Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on September 06, 2018, 02:09:22 AM
Hi Chuck,

Don't forget that the M10Px/M11Px commands only take effect at the instant of axis (any axis) movement so you would need a two line MDI to test it that way and I don't think that can be done in Mach3.
It may be better to just create a simple Gcode program for the testing.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 06, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
 Thanks Tweakie,  I will give that a try.
Really appreciate your help in getting my laser running.
 Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 07, 2018, 07:15:14 PM
 Well Tweakie  I tried  a short program with the M 10/11 and it still didn’t work.


 I’m reading 10.3 V from    Pins 15.  The voltage doesn’t change  when the M command is executed.

 I have output number one ********* to port 1 and pin 15


 I think I have a jumper in the wrong position on the C 62 board. I’m sure Arturo  can advise me on that one.


 I’m sure We will  figure it out eventually.

Chuck

Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 07, 2018, 10:35:42 PM
i just ran across your post a while back Tweakie,  This solves what I'm doing wrong.

" If you use the command M11P1 this will switch ON Output#1 and the command M10P1 will switch OFF Output#1 but both these commands only take effect at the instant of an axis (any axis) movement (ie. they must be followed by an axis movement on the next line in the GCode. The numeral following the P will determine which Output# is switched)."

i was usisng p followed by the pin number not the port number.

i will try using M10P1 tomorrow and not 10P15

Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on September 08, 2018, 01:40:26 AM
Hi Chuck,

Sounds like you are on your way now.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 09, 2018, 10:18:07 AM
So if I enter this code

G0 X0 Y0 Z0
 M11P1 G1 X10 M10P1
G0 Y1 X0
M11P1 G1 X10 M10P1
M30

And should get two parallel lines 1 inch apart, 10 inches long  with the laser coming on and off at the beginning and end of each line with M commands

I didn’t, so I think I have the wrong jumper settings on the C 62 board.

I posted this jumper question on Arturo‘s forum (Cnc4pc).

 If anyone is using this board, C 62 I would appreciate  comments.

Thanks,

  Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on September 09, 2018, 11:24:02 AM
Hi Chuck,

Your Gcode should look something like this;

G0 X0 Y0 Z0            'if not at zero then move to zero
F600                       'set feedrate
M11P1 G1 X10         'turn on laser and draw line to position Y0 X10
M10P1 G0 Y1 X0      'turn off laser and move to position Y1 X0
M11P1 G1 X10         'turn on laser and draw line to position Y1 X10
M10P1 G0 X0 Y0      'turn off laser and move to zero position
M30                        'end Gcode program and rewind
%                           'null character to ensure carriage return at end of Gcode

This Gcode will turn Output#1 ON and OFF so check that your laser trigger is connected to the Port and Pin number you have specified for Output#1 and that you have the Active Hi / Low for Output#1 set correctly.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 09, 2018, 11:55:14 AM
 Thank you Tweakie.
 I will definitely try this code.
I also found this  posting which is interesting also.

“Thanks for the responses. I've resolved this issue. There is a known hardware fault in the C62 BOB which has rendered the RJ45 connector for the Port1 Limits&Home inputs (pins 11,12,12,15) inoperable.
The workaround for this is to wire direct to the terminals. I've documented the workaround and attach it for reference should anyone else encounter this issue.”

 I’m trying to use output pin number 15

 I have asked Arturo if this is been corrected on the C board

 Thanks,
Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 09, 2018, 08:28:12 PM
Tweakie,
 Even with that code, I still can’t get any voltage changes on C62 -RJ 8   

 I have tried different ports and different pens with still no voltage changes out of the RJ8.

 Hopefully Arturo will have some  suggestions, he normally does.

Thanks,
Chuck


Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 11, 2018, 10:05:16 AM
 Still can’t get it to work with this revised G code.

Arturo  said the RJ 45–8 on the C 62 board is for imputs and not outputs.  So I’m still trying to find out how to tie into the C 62 board

Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 14, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
Tweakie,
 I finally got everything configured properly and I can get the laser to turn on and off  using M10 and M11.

Recently somewhere I was reading information,most likely from you, on one of the forums, were they were discussing using spindle speed for Laser power settings.

Currently I control Laser power with a potentiometer on the Laser panel. I like the idea of being able to control it with Mach3.

 Thanks again for your help,
Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on September 15, 2018, 01:32:27 AM
Hi Chuck,

I am pleased to hear that you have it working.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: PriSim on December 10, 2018, 12:08:17 AM
Hello dear members,

I am new to this forum and also to MACH3 , i am student of EE , and want to test it for my personal hobby.

I am using windows 10 x64bit 1709, and want to test a parallel port MACH 3 hardware.

Downloaded MACH 3 demo and installed it properly , but unfortunately driver test is not working for me.
Error is:
No driver sensed is installed, Run driver test.

So is there any solution available to this error ? about driver.

PS: Was new to this forum so found this thread use full , rather than to open a new thread.

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on December 10, 2018, 01:39:46 AM
Hi PriSim,

Mach3 will only operate via the Parallel Port if you are using a 32 bit OS with Win7 (or older). https://www.machsupport.com/software/mach3/

Unfortunately the forum Search facility has been broken for some time now - perhaps, one day, it will be fixed.

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on December 10, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
 Group,
Wel,l after getting my laser up and running perfectly using the M 10 and M 11 commands  with windows 10 ,  I went to use my machine   The other day and got an error message that the ESS (warp9) was not communicating with Mach3.

  Andy from warp9  thinks MACH3 is corrupted  and needs re-installed.

  I want to be sure I reinstall MACH3 correctly  considering the difficulty I had getting everything working properly.

 I presume I take the following steps

1.  Back up my XML files, 

2.  using the windows uninstall method, uninstall my current MACH3.

3.  Reinstall MACH3

 Is there anything else that needs to be done?

 Also, any ideas why I got this “communication problem“   Between MACH3 and WARP9 ?

Thank you,
Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on December 11, 2018, 01:38:01 AM
Hi Chuck,

Generally, it is just the .xml file which has become corrupt. Before re-installing Mach3 try rolling back to an earlier .xml (either Operator / Restore Settings or manually select an .xml from the xmlbackups folder which is from a date before the problem began [you need to change the file extension to .xml and copy it to the Mach3 folder]).

If that fails then make a secure backup of your existing Mach3 folder then do the re-install but create a new profile and enter all your settings manually rather than just copy over what could be a corrupt .xml.

Hope this helps,

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on December 11, 2018, 12:32:57 PM
Hi Tweakie,
Appreciate your input,.
 I have several  profile on this machine and I have tried  each of them with  The same ESS communication error message   

 So this sounds like somethings corrupt in the MACH3 code itself   I Suppose   

Chuck

Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on July 04, 2019, 10:02:54 AM
Thought I had closed this out but looks like I didn't
Problem was the wrong IP address for The ESS
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on September 28, 2019, 01:30:27 AM
Pleased you got it sorted  ;)
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: chuck767 on September 28, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
Tweakie,
 I’m surprised this popped up again, I closed it out on July 4.


Oh well, not the first time computers surprised me !!

 Still haven’t loaded the MACH4 but hope to soon

Cheers,
Chuck
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: highpockets on October 05, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
Yet another Microsoft update causing problems with Mach3 (don't have Mach4).
Update KB4524147 caused my Mach3 to show errors with Plugin DLLs stating they were corrupt and needed to be reloaded. Nothing worked.
I uninstalled the KB4524147 update and all is well....
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: ronald4418 on October 29, 2019, 05:50:19 AM
I haven't had any issues whatsoever and I am a Springboard Member and I'm currently using Release 1910-1715. All of my systems work perfectly when used in conjunction with the UCCNC UC-100.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Troncatore on November 21, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
I have some trouble using under windows 10 the HossMachine screen set...in particularly is quite impossible to made the zero set for the Y axe..I did all I can do but still not running...I found a  version of Blue screen set  in Imperial unit and metric so does anyone know if it works well under Windows 10? I contacted the author but He said no never tested on W10...
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: PeteG on January 19, 2020, 02:51:15 AM
Windows 10 being rubbish - who'd have thought :(

I know that some people are going to be upset by this but.....

My loathing for windows 10 knows no bounds, don't get me started on all the reasons why, there's not enough time in the day.

I loved Windows 7, it just worked, but W10 is the best advert for a Mac ever. However, gripes aside, I use an old Dell 32bit computer running XP to control Mach3, it's not connected to the internet and is really quick. The ten year old interface adds a touch of pre social media nostalgia, (a simpler, and may say, a happier time) and I can play solitaire without any adverts.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Tweakie.CNC on February 03, 2020, 05:09:26 AM
I can play solitaire without any adverts.

Ahh...
Those were the days  :)

Tweakie.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: bravojhony on February 07, 2020, 01:58:19 AM
You are saying windows 7 is good but window 10 also is upgraded version.
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: PeteG on February 09, 2020, 04:06:04 PM
I'm sure there are many people who have no issues with W10 and who love it; I'm not one of them
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Eric21 on April 08, 2020, 01:55:41 PM
Hello all,

It was brought to our attention today that a new Windows 10 update is causing problems with Mach3. Microsoft is certainly causing me a lot of headaches this past month, but I hope this post will save you from some. If Windows 10 wants to do a "feature update" to version 1803 do not let it. You want to stay on build 1709. If the update goes through and you find that Mach3 will not load beyond the splash screen, the update probably went through and you'll have to roll it back. It's an easy process but it is a bit time consuming. Go into your settings and find the Updates page. Click 'View installed update history' then 'Recovery options.' That sounds a bit dramatic; you're really just rolling back to a slightly older version of Windows 10. On the next screen, you'll have the option to restore Windows 10 to an older version. Agree to the prompts and then be prepared to wait while your system un-updates.

As always, we recommend running Mach3 without automatic updates and offline if at all possible. I'll keep you posted with any new information I might have.

Happy CNCing,
Bryanna

Update: There is a new Mach3 installer on our website (machsupport.com) that includes a patched version of .062 that corrects this issue. Install it over your previous version of Mach3, restart, and you should be back to normal. As always, I recommend backing up your profile, license, and any custom macros or screens--just in case.



Hello, I’m new here.

I do no if I’m in the right place, to a question.

So I pickup Sainsmart CNC 3018-Mx3. Which my understanding is compatible with Mach3 software, but the controller board that come with it. It usb Interface, my purpose to learn to use a CNC machine is to do acrylic work. So far I learned that the controller board is not a good choice. So what I would like to do is upgrade the controller board. That will communicate the right way with Mach3. So I’m looking on amazon and I see different controllers that are parallel interface. So the CNC Machine that I hive, has 3 axis and spindle 12v DC to 48v 10000 rpm, plus limit switch’s install. Can anyone recommend a controller connecting you with Parallel Interface. I’m just a beginner I haven’t downloaded the software yet. But I’ve been watching a lot of YouTube videos and how to use Mach3 with a parallel controller. It seems like this is the best way to go. Great help is appreciated
Title: Re: Mach3 Windows 10 update -- don't do it
Post by: Anthony Wilson on August 30, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
You are saying windows 7 is good but window 10 also is upgraded version.

 This is Anthony, california,  If it is any help I use win 10 home as of july 2020 with all updates.   I have MACH3 and USe XCH IV MAch3 controller in my China CNC6040. 
After setting VFD and all parameters I run all controls without issue.   This is much easier due to USB interface.   USB is a polled interface so it does not interrupt the pc.
Parallel port is a interrupt interface and needs timing for all transfer.   AS of today I am back in control since moving from win7.