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OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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Mr. Technical
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OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 28, 2011, 11:41:21 AM »
Hi Guys,
I recently got my lathe set up, but am having problems using the OD Taper Wizard. I'm trying to put a 45 deg taper (90 degree included point angle) on a 1" diameter rod. The wizard seems to want to make a taper with the wrong angle. It's making the angle very blunt, or flat. The odd thing is that the display of the toolpath looks right.
What I'm looking for is a point on the end of the bar, that goes from a point all the way to the outer diameter (no step).
The specifics:
I am a licensed user.
I am using Diameter mode.
OD Taper settings are as follows:
X End: 0.0
Angle: +45.
X Start: .5
Z End: -.5
Z Start: 0.0
Clearance: .1
I have no idea what I'm missing. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Mr. Technical
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 28, 2011, 12:52:51 PM »
Does your lathe cut accurately normally?
Can you attach your xml please.
Hood
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mr.c
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 28, 2011, 01:21:22 PM »
I have had some issues with wizards. In particular, direction of cut. I am looking at your settings and it looks,to me (I may be wrong) that with x end at 0.0 you are wanting it to cut to the center of your stock. But your z end is at -.5 which is moving the other direction? Or am I really confused?
Sometimes the wizards are really confusing to me(not particularly intuitive) and sometimes they just will not do what I need them to do and I have to write my own code.
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 28, 2011, 02:29:59 PM »
Hood: Still figuring out if there are problems with different types of cuts, but 1" of commanded Z movement equals 1" of actual Z movement, and same thing for the X axis. That was one of the first things I looked at (steps per revolution). XML attached.
mr.c: Thanks for the input. Z zero is the face of the part, and X zero is the center. X .5 is with the tool touching the side of the 1" diameter barstock, since I'm in Diameter Mode. Z -.5 is half an inch from the faced end of the part (towards the chuck).
Also, I'm attaching the g code that running the wizard as stated produces.
Mr. Technical
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 28, 2011, 02:57:08 PM »
When I try with your xml it works fine for me according to code and toolpath but when I load the code you posted it is not correct. Can you take a screenshot of the settings you have in the wizard just in case I am doing something different.
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 28, 2011, 03:45:35 PM »
The way my mind see's it is perhaps why it is not intuitive to me. I understand the positions of x0 being the center of the stockand x.05 being the diametric edge of the piece and z -.5 being a half inch back from the face. It is the start and finish that confuses me. My mind pictures it this way. With a taper to start at x .5 and finish at x 0.0 the tool moves left to right. And to start at z 0.0 and finish at z -.5 is a right to left move. In reality that may not be the intention of the wizard but it is how my mind pictures it, which makes it counter intuitive to me.
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 28, 2011, 03:50:50 PM »
Ignore wrong thread
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 29, 2011, 09:45:28 AM »
Here's the screenshot showing how I've filled out the fields. Thanks for all the help!
Mr. Technical
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Re: OD Taper Wizard Help Needed
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June 29, 2011, 12:49:44 PM »
I get totally different code than you get from the wizard with your settings and xml, have attached what I get, can you load that and see what its like. BTW heres a screenshot of what I get when I load the code you posted.
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June 29, 2011, 01:36:59 PM »
OK, something weird is definitely going on.
Loading my XML on a different computer, and inputting the ODTaper2 file you supplied I get what you can see in the ODT1 screenshot file below, which looks very close or identical to the simulation diagram I get on the actual lathe computer where all of this started.
Loading the same ODTaper2 file under the standard non customized XML, (Mach3 turn) I get what appears in ODT2 screenshot. Interesting thing is, this looks like what the lathe actually cut. You can see how flat the angle is-it's not the 45 degrees I need.
Incidentally, what version are you running? I'm not at the lathe so I don't know the exact version, but it's in the 2's I think. The other test computer I'm using is running version 3.042.
Mr. Technical
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